20 years since US invasion of Serbia

March/April 1999, USA invaded Serbia for no reason, it destroyed infrastructure and economy worth $100 billion and killed 4,000 people (some say it goes up to 15,000, but impossible to count due to parts of Serbia being occupied by terrorists).

This was the first time USA invaded a white country after WW2 (maybe first time in its history overall). Thus alienating a nation, instead making better relations, so they stay neutral or don't join Russia in case of confronation, if Russia is really US enemy.

USA used cluster bombing of civilians, like market in Nish (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ni%C5%A1_cluster_bombing), but also bombing Chinese embassy and Serbian TV station.














Short history of Serbia for starters:

- 450 years of Turkish islamic occupation
- 1 million deaths and destruction in World War 1
- 700,000 killed by Croatian Nazis in World War 2
- 50 years of Communism
- Civil War where Croatian nationalists ethnically cleanse 250,000 Serbians
- American invasion of Serbia, destroying $100 billion worth infrastructure & economy


Putting this war into historical context makes more sense then.

Okay.

Napisao Skanderbeg, 09.04.2019 at 12:15

March/April 1999, USA invaded Serbia for no reason,

There are soo many things with this entire post, but ill stick to only the large and glaring ones, and refrain from destroying this entire post:

1) it was a NATO joint operation with the UN, ok sure USA had boots on the ground. the UN organization in charge of the mission in the balkans was UNOPROFOR (or UNPROFOR, you can fact check me on that if you like), which sent about 40,000 troops including from nations such as Argentina, Belgium, Denmark, Estonia, Ghana, Turkey, etc (again, you can fact check me on this as well as for an even longer list) and yes ofc the united states. the US didn't even comprise a majority of the troops in the designated region. ok.

Oh and maybe the Milosevic regime had something to do with it? or maybe the Bosnian Liberation Army led by Ratko Mladic had something to do with it? Maybe the fact that there was a genocide had something to do with it? Idk, just some of the MANY reasons any nation had for entering the conflict. (Hint hint, Srebrenica.. hint hint)

or MAYBE JUST MAYBE it was the Yugoslav occupation of Kosovo, which was a UN DESIGNATED SAFE ZONE.. JUST A THOUGHT !

Napisao Skanderbeg, 09.04.2019 at 12:15

This was the first time USA invaded a white country after WW2 (maybe first time in its history overall). Thus alienating a nation, instead making better relations, so they stay neutral or don't join Russia in case of confronation, if Russia is really US enemy.

2) Im just gonna highlight the fact that you even said this... "This was the first time USA invaded a white country after WW2 (maybe first time in its history overall)" You would be laughed out of every academic insitution for making a claim such as this. Not to mention even the alienation part. This comes down to common logic, which ill get to in a hot second.

For starters, (cant believe im even addressing this but meh), America has invaded "white countries" before (as if thats even a thing) such as Russia after ww1, mexico right before ww1, and cuba after ww2. So this is just false.

Secondly, well of course they would alienate serbia for the sake of maintaining decent relations with Russia. Russia is no friend, but a superpower nonetheless, why provoke? Just basic realist response by the US government.

I can't believe I even took the effort to respond to this. Please. Stop posting propaganda and get yo facts straight before you post them here zzzzzzz

Thank Bubba Bill. Americans are the second worst Imperialists in history next to the British, causing ethnic conflict that lasts for decades to centuries even for absolutely no tangible gain whosoever.

I believe that ethnic groups deserve a right to sovereign determination within reason, so Kosovo existing is largely a non issue. The issue is that Kosovo is a UN administered microstate that has seen forced migrations, undocumented ethnic cleansing against all groups, and a heavily built up black market (it's not a coincidence that Pristina is a center of human trafficking and organ harvesting).

Imo the Balkan were stronger when the southern Slavs saw themselves as brothers and not enemies.

So can we unban the ''toxic trolls'' again, since off-topic is being spammed about russia lately and its a big snoozefest.

Tito, legit nobody cares

Napisao Waffel, 09.04.2019 at 13:29

So can we unban the ''toxic trolls'' again, since off-topic is being spammed about russia lately and its a big snoozefest.

Tito, legit nobody cares

Napisao Sultan of Swing, 09.04.2019 at 12:34

Napisao Skanderbeg, 09.04.2019 at 12:15

March/April 1999, USA invaded Serbia for no reason,

There are soo many things with this entire post, but ill stick to only the large and glaring ones, and refrain from destroying this entire post:

1) it was a NATO joint operation with the UN, ok sure USA had boots on the ground. the UN organization in charge of the mission in the balkans was UNOPROFOR (or UNPROFOR, you can fact check me on that if you like), which sent about 40,000 troops including from nations such as Argentina, Belgium, Denmark, Estonia, Ghana, Turkey, etc (again, you can fact check me on this as well as for an even longer list) and yes ofc the united states. the US didn't even comprise a majority of the troops in the designated region. ok.

Oh and maybe the Milosevic regime had something to do with it? or maybe the Bosnian Liberation Army led by Ratko Mladic had something to do with it? Maybe the fact that there was a genocide had something to do with it? Idk, just some of the MANY reasons any nation had for entering the conflict. (Hint hint, Srebrenica.. hint hint)

or MAYBE JUST MAYBE it was the Yugoslav occupation of Kosovo, which was a UN DESIGNATED SAFE ZONE.. JUST A THOUGHT !

Napisao Skanderbeg, 09.04.2019 at 12:15

This was the first time USA invaded a white country after WW2 (maybe first time in its history overall). Thus alienating a nation, instead making better relations, so they stay neutral or don't join Russia in case of confronation, if Russia is really US enemy.

2) Im just gonna highlight the fact that you even said this... "This was the first time USA invaded a white country after WW2 (maybe first time in its history overall)" You would be laughed out of every academic insitution for making a claim such as this. Not to mention even the alienation part. This comes down to common logic, which ill get to in a hot second.

For starters, (cant believe im even addressing this but meh), America has invaded "white countries" before (as if thats even a thing) such as Russia after ww1, mexico right before ww1, and cuba after ww2. So this is just false.

Secondly, well of course they would alienate serbia for the sake of maintaining decent relations with Russia. Russia is no friend, but a superpower nonetheless, why provoke? Just basic realist response by the US government.

I can't believe I even took the effort to respond to this. Please. Stop posting propaganda and get yo facts straight before you post them here zzzzzzz

TL:DR serbs gonna serb

I'd thoroughly reply to yet another misleading post you make, but I can see Sultan has anticipated himself and wrote thoroughly (and overly nice) about the ideological-driven bias/ignorance you've written here.

I don't want to attack character but it's something of tremendous ignorance to bluntly say the intervention in Serbia was a US invasion...you do know there's something we could call international system of collective security, that is the basis for international-led interventions by organizations like the UN / NATO..even Portugal took place in the Serbian intervention, and we didn't invade Serbia, we interviened under the UN because of massacres and ethnic cleansings that took place for the first time after WW2 in that Yugoslavian region (aka genocides).

Also, how can you even claim this was the first ever American invasion (let's deem it as intervention) on a white country? Do you not know your History? Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the War of 1812 involved a small 'invasion' of Canada. Besides that, there's WW1, WW2, the Spanish-American War, the War of the 1840 (1848?) against Mexico, etc..

Knew this was you just by reading title

Napisao Al Fappino, 09.04.2019 at 16:28

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the War of 1812 involved a small 'invasion' of Canada

your not wrong

it wasn't small, it was a full one, it also happened during the revolutionary war too, but i dont think that counts officially

edit: after rewatching these videos i understand where andartes is coming from. If those were my sources of information I'd probably believe a lot of whacky shit about the world too. Those videos are worse than CNN here in America ahahaha

Napisao Sultan of Swing, 09.04.2019 at 12:34

There are soo many things with this entire post, but ill stick to only the large and glaring ones, and refrain from destroying this entire post:

1) it was a NATO joint operation with the UN, ok sure USA had boots on the ground. the UN organization in charge of the mission in the balkans was UNOPROFOR (or UNPROFOR, you can fact check me on that if you like), which sent about 40,000 troops including from nations such as Argentina, Belgium, Denmark, Estonia, Ghana, Turkey, etc (again, you can fact check me on this as well as for an even longer list) and yes ofc the united states. the US didn't even comprise a majority of the troops in the designated region. ok.

I understand that, but that's like saying 'Poland and Hungary are to blame for invasion of Czechoslovakia'. I cannot blame puppets for their master's actions. The United States rule them all. Ghana, Denmark, Portugal have no power to resist, but obey US hegemony. I really doubt Dannish parents were glad to send their boy to fight for some god-forsaken land.

You forget that USA was at the peak of power, economically and politically. There was no one to resist (USSR collapsed and China was still poor). UN got manipulated and influenced by USA, just like the IMF was (largest donor was USA, therefore largest leverage).

And i repeat, i don't blame the American people, but their alienated governement.

Napisao Sultan of Swing, 09.04.2019 at 12:34

Oh and maybe the Milosevic regime had something to do with it?

Miloshevich was elected president, there was no 'regime', you got misled by the US propaganda machine. Miloshevich was a socialist, but elected, therefore had to be recognized by the World. Serbians could leave, open business, speak what they want, there was no regime as West tried to portrait it in order to justify invasion.

Please read more in the subject if you are interest.

Napisao Sultan of Swing, 09.04.2019 at 12:34

or maybe the Bosnian Liberation Army led by Ratko Mladic had something to do with it?

There was no 'Bosnian Liberation Army' led by Ratko Mladich... Ratko Mladich was General in the Army of Republic of Srpska (Republika Srpska). Srpska was democratic capitalist nation, with elections, open borders and free trade... didn't need liberation.

And i don't know what Srpska republic had to do with US/NATO invasion of Serbia? Two different countries like Germany and Austria. Maybe USA missed?

Napisao Sultan of Swing, 09.04.2019 at 12:34

Maybe the fact that there was a genocide had something to do with it? Idk, just some of the MANY reasons any nation had for entering the conflict. (Hint hint, Srebrenica.. hint hint)

This kind of internet debates died in 2012/13, weird there are still people with information from the 90's. Norwegians stationed there witnessed there was no genocide, but siege of the city where fighters died. They made a documentary, free to watch. UN allowed terrorsits to use the city as a base and kill serbian villagers around, holland troops there were ordered so. It was only natural by Serbian forces to siege the city and kill the terrorists to protect the civilians. between 2000-8000 soldiers died (and their commander fled), city had women and children, but only males died and their bodies are seen scattered around the city. To commit a genocide, more than 8000 most be killed... if you want to eradicate 2 million people... and that's how many muslims had. Serbians only had 1.2 million in Bosnia, muslims were encouraged by USA to start the war of conquest.

Genocide was US/muslim propaganda to justify intervention again, they needed big news to shock the world and blame Serbian ethnic group for eternity (because serbians were victims which was hard to hide, so network of lies and propaganda was needed to invent, which serbian neigbhors like Croatians, Muslim Bosnians and Albanians gladly accepted (all of them were nazi allies in WW2, and US/UK/USSR enemies so no wonder)).

Napisao Sultan of Swing, 09.04.2019 at 12:34

or MAYBE JUST MAYBE it was the Yugoslav occupation of Kosovo, which was a UN DESIGNATED SAFE ZONE.. JUST A THOUGHT !

World is a crazy place if you really believe in this man... How can a country occupy its own territory? Is that bad now? Yes Yugoslavia/Serbia lived, farmed and worked in Kosovo, those illegal criminals.

Just because Albanians (like all muslims) have 10-15 children so they become majority in no time doesn't mean the native population is occupator and aggressor. In fact, i don't remember reading about serbian human trafficking and rioting in Kosovo, only read about Albanians doing it.

How many serbians did Albanians rape? How many churches destroyed? How many villages and towns ethnically cleansed? The Albanians raped one Serbian with a glass bottle in the rear, and then broke it inside, the guy had numerous operations in Slovenia... i won't post this, go read yourself.

USA and EU supported one of the most violent and evil terrorist groups this globe has ever seen.

Napisao Sultan of Swing, 09.04.2019 at 12:34

This was the first time USA invaded a white country after WW2 (maybe first time in its history overall). Thus alienating a nation, instead making better relations, so they stay neutral or don't join Russia in case of confronation, if Russia is really US enemy.

2) Im just gonna highlight the fact that you even said this... "This was the first time USA invaded a white country after WW2 (maybe first time in its history overall)" You would be laughed out of every academic insitution for making a claim such as this. Not to mention even the alienation part. This comes down to common logic, which ill get to in a hot second.

For starters, (cant believe im even addressing this but meh), America has invaded "white countries" before (as if thats even a thing) such as Russia after ww1, mexico right before ww1, and cuba after ww2. So this is just false.

I guess we have different lessons about races then. Maybe because i said 'after WW2', i don't remember USA invading Mexico between WWII and Serbia.

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Napisao Sultan of Swing, 09.04.2019 at 12:34

Secondly, well of course they would alienate serbia for the sake of maintaining decent relations with Russia. Russia is no friend, but a superpower nonetheless, why provoke? Just basic realist response by the US government.

No i meant they alienated a country that broke off USSR(Tito-Stalin split) and was closer to the West, so instead luring them in your camp and turning them against your enemy Russia, USA created network of propaganda and invaded, thus pushing Serbia to never trust the West ever again, and maybe even help Russia in case of war, thus creating USA more problems than it already have.

Napisao Sultan of Swing, 09.04.2019 at 12:34

I can't believe I even took the effort to respond to this. Please. Stop posting propaganda and get yo facts straight before you post them here zzzzzzz

No you stop posting propaganda please. Genocides, occupation of Kosovo by the native peopulation and regime themes are debunked myths (most by the westerners). Please read more about the topic if you are interested, it will help in the debate alot, for now you just repeated age-long US (govt) propaganda. I am sorry.

Andartes is a mongol fake russian

Probably the worst political decision is recent history, kosovo is a clear example of what happens when muslims become majority and USA let them genocide the serbs.

Anyone who claims albanians didnt commit genocide in kosovo either doesnt know anything about the subject or is blatantly biased.

Deep Fried Unicorn > Andartes

Lets Go Back to Vietnam

Napisao Red.Army, 10.04.2019 at 18:39

What genocide? Serbs deserved to get bombed after what they did in Bosnia and Kosovo.

Genocide in which 5000 serbs were killed and about 250 000 expelled from kosovo.

Napisao Red.Army, 12.04.2019 at 11:16

Oh what about the 848,000-863,000 Kosovar Albanians who were expelled from Kosovo? What about the 10,000 dead Albanians? What about the Mass Rapes Serbs did? Fuck Serbia and It deserved to get bombed. Should of been bombed harder.

Those numbers have been proven as false flag propaganda over and over again, even USA admitted it in lte 2018. Albanians displaced were in minor numbers, less than 100 000. Post war census proves that as albanian numbers even grew after the war.

Napisao Evic, 12.04.2019 at 11:19

Napisao Red.Army, 12.04.2019 at 11:16

Oh what about the 848,000-863,000 Kosovar Albanians who were expelled from Kosovo? What about the 10,000 dead Albanians? What about the Mass Rapes Serbs did? Fuck Serbia and It deserved to get bombed. Should of been bombed harder.

Those numbers have been proven as false flag propaganda over and over again, even USA admitted it in lte 2018. Albanians displaced were in minor numbers, less than 100 000. Post war census proves that as albanian numbers even grew after the war.

the numbers arent wrong, in 1999-2000 over 500k fled in albania and 200k fled from kosovo inside macedonia and settled tetovo, gostivar, skopje, kumanovo and in over 100 surrounding vilages, its what lead to the 2001 insurgency.

Why are u guys talking about nato/onu as if its completly independent and hasnt only gotten involved in conflicts where usa gives the aproval or does a military intervencion xd

you nabs making it sound like they dont act on usa orders most of the time and as if they actualy have stoped genocides when ocurring... Usualy they just sit back and let it happen without doing shit unless theirs some political or economic gain like its happened continuesly in third world countries lol.

Napisao Evic, 12.04.2019 at 11:19

Actually i think that is true, i really think there were 800,000 displaced Albanians, Kosovo is very small and fighting was everywhere. Not all Albanians are terrorists but all terrorists are Albanians. Albanian civilians knew that and don't forget they had good living under Tito, they didn't support albanian terrorism.

They saw the attrocities terrorists are doing, rapes, decapitations, demolition of monasteries, villages, and they feared if Serbia win, they will retaliate. So when Serbia sent its army and police (most were police), they panicked and left their homes. Of course Serbia would not ethnically cleanse, they were just hunting for the terorrists (who used their own families as a shield as you know), but that was used as excuse to invade a democratic european country, a country that was US ally in WW2.

As i understood, Kosovo Albanians are different tribe from Albanian Albanians. I lived in Greece and there are 500,000-1,000,000 Albanians, they told me they hate 'albanian hillmen', they come down from the mountain and rape in the cities, create crime and violence and import drugs. Albanians in Greece are disciplined and hardworking people, witnessed, so the tribal separation is probably true. One tribe is normal and work for living, the other steal and do mafia.

Napisao Skanderbeg, 13.04.2019 at 12:40

Displaced and expelled or banished is 2 different terms. For example millions of germans were displaced in western germany in wwii as allies forces advanced, but they werent expelled or banished as nothing prevented their return post war, on the other hand germans in prussia were expelled and could not return.

800 000 did have to leave their home, but most of them just fled to places further away from fighting, they were not driven away by serbs, but in most cases US bombing or firefighting between KLA and YPA.

God is with us, you are doomed.

Balkan flamewars on atwar, in 2019. God I miss 2014 and onwards..

Napisao Evic, 13.04.2019 at 17:41

Displaced and expelled or banished is 2 different terms. For example millions of germans were displaced in western germany in wwii as allies forces advanced, but they werent expelled or banished as nothing prevented their return post war, on the other hand germans in prussia were expelled and could not return.

800 000 did have to leave their home, but most of them just fled to places further away from fighting, they were not driven away by serbs, but in most cases US bombing or firefighting between KLA and YPA.

Oh and by the way, they call themself 'Kosovo Liberation Army', but they had to invade from Albania in order to 'liberate' Kosovo, not a single Kosovar joined their struggle from within Serbia lol.



https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr-el/%D0%9E%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%98%D0%B0_%D0%A1%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ko%C5%A1are

Now those hillmen under protection of USA act as a legal state to breed mafia, prostitution, drugs, human traficking and organ harvesting. I guess that was the goal, West get cheap organs, sweatshops get cheap labor, and their population get easily available drugs. Paradise.

Napisao Waffel, 09.04.2019 at 13:29

So can we unban the ''toxic trolls'' again, since off-topic is being spammed about russia lately and its a big snoozefest.

Tito, legit nobody cares

I wank tik tok back he posted the most autistic stuff

Napisao 4Chan, 15.04.2019 at 18:49

I wank tik tok back he posted the most autistic stuff

the guy is pure gold, would acquaint him to the pavement (like other nazis) 10/10

Napisao Skanderbeg, 09.04.2019 at 12:15

- 50 years of Communism

I understand you...

Its all Boris Yeltsin fault.

Napisao avatar, 12.05.2019 at 16:56

Its all Boris Yeltsin fault.

[youtube]v9YnDirqwT4[youtube]

Imagine having such president and opposed president laughs like Clinton. That's called diplomacy these days. No more honor.