Remove 2x SP from Clan Wars

Napisao Fockmeeard, 04.05.2015 at 18:12

The 2x SP was meant to increase activity for the competitive scene.

What happened was a bunch of scenario players and others who were already high ranks decided to start playing 3v3s and CWs because they were bored of scenarios. The majority of new players aren't low ranks or of a younger generation.

The 2x SP multiplier hasn't attracted low ranks. Who the fuck knows about it besides us? Is it advertised on the front page? Is there a little note in game with an arrow pointed to the CW lobby that says "Earn 2x the SP by playing a CW!"

Nope.

No low rank or new player will ever know about the 2x sp. All it is is a benefit to those already playing as it is increasing their ranks rapidly.

Again, if you want to increase your rank rapidly there are much better alternatives then having to win a cw vs decent opponents (or any opponents really, just from time setting up)

Napisao clovis1122, 04.05.2015 at 17:41

Napisao Zone, 04.05.2015 at 17:26

If u have any fine idea plz share

Napisao Cthulhu, 04.05.2015 at 17:10

What is your idea to encourage them?

... This thread have lot of ideas.

Napisao clovis1122, 04.05.2015 at 08:48

Whoever is looking for a way to attract players to Clan Wars and think 2x SP multiplier is the best option, I've also proposed others features HERE:
Exchange: http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=16852

But back at that time I didn't though about encourage beginners but rather make cw's more interesting.

But in this own thread also:

Napisao RaulPB, 04.05.2015 at 17:10

OFFICIAL SUGGESTION

Okey, a probably stupid suggestion: is there a way to make the sp bonus dependent on the rank of the player?? That would mean that the lower his rank is, the more SP bonus he'll get. We could also make it so that from rank 10 onwards, the bonus is decreased to 0. This way newbies are still tempted to play cws while higher ranks which don't need the sp for anything at all make the normal amount of SP.

Any opinion? Don't be too harsh

And I am sure you guys can think about ideas for make cw's more attractive for low ranks as well...

But first you guys need to recognize the 2x SP multiplier as a problem, because only a problems requires a solution...

Mb tell us one then ?

Don't really support. But I think there should be a reward for CWs. Also I mean Cosa did deserve the SP minus the hacks. Can't penalize them for being the most active coalition.

Napisao Zone, 04.05.2015 at 18:32

Mb tell us one then ?

Napisao RaulPB, 04.05.2015 at 17:10

OFFICIAL SUGGESTION

Okey, a probably stupid suggestion: is there a way to make the sp bonus dependent on the rank of the player?? That would mean that the lower his rank is, the more SP bonus he'll get. We could also make it so that from rank 10 onwards, the bonus is decreased to 0. This way newbies are still tempted to play cws while higher ranks which don't need the sp for anything at all make the normal amount of SP.

Any opinion? Don't be too harsh

Pls, can I into relevancy, pretty pls? Who do I need to cry to in order to recieve some attention??

68 k of sp is nothing if it was about sp i could make that in 10 days in ancient 10 turn mayham.....but we like cw and raping u all there ,u can take x2 sp but u cant make ur brains x2

I agree with this, I don't see why players who compete regularly care much about SP, if I remember correctly it used to be that all the competitive players never cared about SP because they could never compare to people who used SP Boost maps to get massive amounts of SP, why does the SP even matter to these players so much that they need double to feel like a game is worth it. If the only reason why individuals play a CW is for the double SP then there isnt much reason to have Clan Wars.

I kind of agree. Imagine that.

Competitive parts of communities are always vital. When a game has a ceiling, an end to content (upgrades), developers must have a way to retain players. This usually means having players compete in an official manner against each other, creating more possibilities than the dev could ever build himself. On atWar we have custom maps/scenarios to delay that, but it is an inevitability that players play less and less once there is nothing else to achieve. Duels and Coalition Wars provide that higher tier where matches are recorded and there's winners and losers. Rivalries and drama appear only making it more lively, drawing in more people to the flame.

When the SP bonus for CW's was implemented the competitive community needed a push, and now that it's grown it might not be needed anymore. At least not in the same way it exists now. There needs to be some kind of incentive for CW's, but SP might not be the best choice for the higher ranks.

Napisao Fockmeeard, 04.05.2015 at 18:12

The 2x SP was meant to increase activity for the competitive scene.

What happened was a bunch of scenario players and others who were already high ranks decided to start playing 3v3s and CWs because they were bored of scenarios. The majority of new players aren't low ranks or of a younger generation.

The 2x SP multiplier hasn't attracted low ranks. Who the fuck knows about it besides us? Is it advertised on the front page? Is there a little note in game with an arrow pointed to the CW lobby that says "Earn 2x the SP by playing a CW!"

Nope.

No low rank or new player will ever know about the 2x sp. All it is is a benefit to those already playing as it is increasing their ranks rapidly.

This is extremely hard hitting. I wonder why nobody bothered to push for low rank advertisement? Sure we told each other, but that is short lived. We've continued playing thinking everyone knew already. This should have been pushed upon the newer players as soon as possible. Some kind of plan with the administrators would of worked wonders. There could have been a message to every player once they reach rank 5 telling them about the intermediate parts of atWar. Hindsight 20/20.

Napisao RaulPB, 04.05.2015 at 17:10

Okey, a probably stupid suggestion: is there a way to make the sp bonus dependent on the rank of the player?? That would mean that the lower his rank is, the more SP bonus he'll get. We could also make it so that from rank 10 onwards, the bonus is decreased to 0. This way newbies are still tempted to play cws while higher ranks which don't need the sp for anything at all make the normal amount of SP.

This would make sense.

Napisao Ferlucci1389, 04.05.2015 at 09:31

Who s this international guy anyway he is in every single forum thread and nobody knows him ,i blame waffel ! and make sp x14 for cws ! SUKAS

I? I am nobody at all...
As far as you care (or should care, anyways), I don't even exist.

In all seriousness, I continue to support the complete removal of this bonus. As I said, I disagree with incentivizing with SP certain types of gameplay over others. But if that's not possible, the compromises I find acceptable are,

1. Incentivize Clan Wars with Protocoins. Since Protocoins can be bought with money, Protocoins gain has nothing to do with actual performance. This is one of my ideas from the original thread.

2. Only give the first (insert appropriate number here) Clan Wars played by a player the +100% SP bonus. This I also quite like, because one of the biggest reasons people cite for the SP bonus (encouraging more players to play Clan Wars) is retained, but it also quite definitely limits the SP a player can gain from Clan Wars.

I personally don't like the option of halving the bonus to +50%. It's... quite pointless, in my opinion.

Napisao Desu, 05.05.2015 at 02:18

I kind of agree. Imagine that.

This is extremely hard hitting. I wonder why nobody bothered to push for low rank advertisement? Sure we told each other, but that is short lived. We've continued playing thinking everyone knew already. This should have been pushed upon the newer players as soon as possible. Some kind of plan with the administrators would of worked wonders. There could have been a message to every player once they reach rank 5 telling them about the intermediate parts of atWar. Hindsight 20/20.

agree agree agreeeeeeeee!!!!!!

When I suggested making CW seasons for low ranks, separated to high rank CWs, which would be managed and helped by several higher rank players, it gone away cuz certain people dont know to stop forcing out their unfunny boring jokes. And now, those who killed my idea, say here that we should make SP restrictions for those who play cw's.

Sure CN and MK have most SP from CWs cuz they are only 2 clans that play more than 2 CWs per day. Just take a look on the number of their clan wars THIS season. And now, lets remove SP bonus cuz they are achieving so much of it. lol

When you are comparing this with RP's, than lets set a max amount of SP that RP players can acheive.
Waffel said: 'Ranks mean nothing in this game'........,Waffel said......... lol
Ofc they mean nothing, cuz you are making them mean nothing.
It is absurd that there are 2 ranks 11, one of them (who plays only CWs and 3v3s) has more than 3k played games on AW, and second one (who plays only RPs), has 900 played games.
Wtf

And who is hurted or jealous by someones SP from CWs?
As Aoki said, CWs are games of highest competence in this game where you are not fighting for your greedy self, you fight primarily for the clan you belong to, you earn wins (and loses) for your cla. and 2xSP is award for that.

Btw, clovis hints are pretty silly and uncorrect.....
especially this one that there are less 3v3s and practises because now all are playing only CWs cuz they want to win 2xSP.
Just LOOOOOL
and one that there are more cw's in ancient maps. During this whole season, there were 2 or 3 CWs in ancient.
And I have nothing against that, beacuse if some clan (example: Shadow Aces) got squad of players who are good in Ancient map, why not?


Thumbup for your statistics, it was nice to see something like that, but I just hope you wont restrict us who are stamdard CW players same as those who plays only RP, Ancients etc....
It is now all fine, dont kill everything good in this game cuz you have some weird need for changing.

Napisao Croat, 05.05.2015 at 04:52

When you are comparing this with RP's, than lets set a max amount of SP that RP players can acheive.
Waffel said: 'Ranks mean nothing in this game'........,Waffel said......... lol
Ofc they mean nothing, cuz you are making them mean nothing.
It is absurd that there are 2 ranks 11, one of them (who plays only CWs and 3v3s) has more than 3k played games on AW, and second one (who plays only RPs), has 900 played games.
Wtf

How am I making them mean nothing lol?

Napisao Waffel, 05.05.2015 at 05:11

Napisao Croat, 05.05.2015 at 04:52

When you are comparing this with RP's, than lets set a max amount of SP that RP players can acheive.
Waffel said: 'Ranks mean nothing in this game'........,Waffel said......... lol
Ofc they mean nothing, cuz you are making them mean nothing.
It is absurd that there are 2 ranks 11, one of them (who plays only CWs and 3v3s) has more than 3k played games on AW, and second one (who plays only RPs), has 900 played games.
Wtf

How am I making them mean nothing lol?

Not you as you individually

Napisao Croat, 05.05.2015 at 06:10

Napisao Waffel, 05.05.2015 at 05:11

Napisao Croat, 05.05.2015 at 04:52

When you are comparing this with RP's, than lets set a max amount of SP that RP players can acheive.
Waffel said: 'Ranks mean nothing in this game'........,Waffel said......... lol
Ofc they mean nothing, cuz you are making them mean nothing.
It is absurd that there are 2 ranks 11, one of them (who plays only CWs and 3v3s) has more than 3k played games on AW, and second one (who plays only RPs), has 900 played games.
Wtf

How am I making them mean nothing lol?

Not you as you individually

I felt attacked ;_;

Napisao Desu, 05.05.2015 at 02:18

Napisao RaulPB, 04.05.2015 at 17:10

Okey, a probably stupid suggestion: is there a way to make the sp bonus dependent on the rank of the player?? That would mean that the lower his rank is, the more SP bonus he'll get. We could also make it so that from rank 10 onwards, the bonus is decreased to 0. This way newbies are still tempted to play cws while higher ranks which don't need the sp for anything at all make the normal amount of SP.

This would make sense.

Thank you for notising me!!

No if you remove the x2sp you will kill the cw!

Napisao Croat, 05.05.2015 at 04:52

Btw, clovis hints are pretty silly and uncorrect.....
especially this one that there are less 3v3s and practises because now all are playing only CWs cuz they want to win 2xSP.
Just LOOOOOL
and one that there are more cw's in ancient maps. During this whole season, there were 2 or 3 CWs in ancient.

mind if I ask you how much 3vs3 have you played in the last week?

Then, how much Clan Wars have you played in the last week?

I checked at your games history, unless you left those games or they had a different name from "3v3", I can assure you had played:

7 clan wars.
2 "3vs3".

If this is not enough proof for you then try asking any other high rank like ferlucci, panteri, mauzer or eagles...

... Or maybe there is any reason that makes you think that CW's should'be played more than 3vs3? That you should take a lot of exams rather than practicing for them?

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Also, related to players preferring CW instead of 3vs3 "for SP"... This is not what I've said. For quote that point:

Napisao clovis1122, 30.11.2014 at 17:09

•) Probably the most negative effect: It greatly damage the current 3vs3 system. Players tend to CW more often, and 3vs3 less. This of course damage the player on long-term (no practice) and also affect the new players that still play 3vs3 on main lobby (no expert hand for play)

Where do you see 2x SP here? By context this is one of the effects nothing else. There may be any high rank or two who plays for SP, but that doesn't mean the majority does. When you go to low ranks, this number grows.

But maybe you are right and I should had specified about it...

... Unless of course, we add a penalty for losing (one of my suggestions) In this way both low ranks and high ranks will need to play 3vs3 more often... Additionally, if that penalty was an SP reduction by a factor based on how much CW's you lose in a row, the 2x SP multiplier could very well stay. Kind of "The winner takes it all".
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Related to ancient map, if you remember right there was a clan called "Praetorian Guardians". Made just for play ancient. Also, SA is not the only clan who play there since I hear illyria got some good combos there... Maybe not this season, but be sure at the time of that thread it was.

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P.D: When I say 3vs3 I refer to a game made in main lobby called "3v3" with standard settings like eu+ , 4 minutes, 10k, etc... just so you don't confuse it with a Clan War 3vs3 with standard settings...

Yay, finally a more convincing argument for the retention of the bonus that goes beyond "you know nothing, you noob"! Thanks, Croat.

Of course, since I am of the opposite opinion, it's my solemn duty to tear it apart.

Napisao Croat, 05.05.2015 at 04:52

When I suggested making CW seasons for low ranks separated to high rank CWs, which would be managed and helped by several higher rank players, it gone away cuz certain people dont know to stop forcing out their unfunny boring jokes. And now, those who killed my idea, say here that we should make SP restrictions for those who play cw's.

Sure CN and MK have most SP from CWs cuz they are only 2 clans that play more than 2 CWs per day. Just take a look on the number of their clan wars THIS season. And now, lets remove SP bonus cuz they are achieving so much of it. lol

When you are comparing this with RP's, than lets set a max amount of SP that RP players can acheive.
Waffel said: 'Ranks mean nothing in this game'........,Waffel said......... lol
Ofc they mean nothing, cuz you are making them mean nothing.
It is absurd that there are 2 ranks 11, one of them (who plays only CWs and 3v3s) has more than 3k played games on AW, and second one (who plays only RPs), has 900 played games.
Wtf

And who is hurted or jealous by someones SP from CWs?
As Aoki said, CWs are games of highest competence in this game where you are not fighting for your greedy self, you fight primarily for the clan you belong to, you earn wins (and loses) for your cla. and 2xSP is award for that.

Btw, clovis hints are pretty silly and uncorrect.....
especially this one that there are less 3v3s and practises because now all are playing only CWs cuz they want to win 2xSP.
Just LOOOOOL
and one that there are more cw's in ancient maps. During this whole season, there were 2 or 3 CWs in ancient.
And I have nothing against that, beacuse if some clan (example: Shadow Aces) got squad of players who are good in Ancient map, why not?


Thumbup for your statistics, it was nice to see something like that, but I just hope you wont restrict us who are stamdard CW players same as those who plays only RP, Ancients etc....
It is now all fine, dont kill everything good in this game cuz you have some weird need for changing.

First, don't generalize. Not all of us has heard of this "special Clan Wars for low ranks" idea, and even if we have, I don't see the connection here.

They play lots of Clan Wars, and that is why they have lots of SP. This is true. But if I play the equivalent amount of 3v3s, I'll only get half the SP. I fail to see why this is necessary.

If somebody can bring up evidence that RP games yield disproportionately high SP, then of course that gain should be reduced. But this disparity, if it exists, is a problem to be solved by reducing RP SP gain, not by retaining the +100% Clan War bonus.

Clearly, ranks now mean nothing. After all, playing Clan Wars now rank you up twice as fast as equivalent gameplay in 3v3s.

Clan Wars are not games of highest competence, as it has no qualifier. If a bunch of novice Rank 5s make a clan and Clan War other novice Rank 5s, that game would get the +100% bonus, but it's ridiculous to say that that game is a shining pinnacle of AtWar competence. Furthermore, you mention,"not letting your clan down." Why does this be need to be rewarded with SP? Is the taste of collective achievement not more suitable? Is a communal environment not more suitable? SP seems like a very inappropriate reward to give for team spirit.

I will skip the next paragraph, since I don't agree with Clovis here anyways.

I hope sincerely that you are restricted the same way everyone else is. If you believe everything is all fine, that is not more than a delusion. SP gain must be fair. That is why I bit my selfishness and supported the reduction of RP Strategy Point gain, even though I was a beneficiary of it, and that is why I am supporting the removal of this bonus, even though that means I get talked down to.

This was a long post, and if you bothered to read it to this line, thank you.

Napisao Guest, 05.05.2015 at 07:37

No if you remove the x2sp you will kill the cw!

And now I make this point yet another time.

If the enjoyment players can derive from Clan Wars is insufficient to keep Clan Wars played without the bonus, then clearly it is suboptimal to keep Clan Wars played.

Napisao International, 05.05.2015 at 10:00

Napisao Guest, 05.05.2015 at 07:37

No if you remove the x2sp you will kill the cw!

And now I make this point yet another time.

If the enjoyment players can derive from Clan Wars is insufficient to keep Clan Wars played without the bonus, then clearly it is suboptimal to keep Clan Wars played.

The x2 bonus is a good incentive to play cws instead of 3v3s (point has been made before), since otherwise most low ranks would play 3v3s, since they are quicker to set up and more sp.
The point of 3v3s are to practice for cws, so it makes sense that people would want to have as many "games" as possible instead of always practicing.
I still dont understand why x2 sp is an issue, since it gives high ranks no benefit except a higher rank, and gives low ranks the ability to get ups faster and become more competitive

Napisao dinoscout, 05.05.2015 at 10:11

Napisao International, 05.05.2015 at 10:00

Napisao Guest, 05.05.2015 at 07:37

No if you remove the x2sp you will kill the cw!

And now I make this point yet another time.

If the enjoyment players can derive from Clan Wars is insufficient to keep Clan Wars played without the bonus, then clearly it is suboptimal to keep Clan Wars played.

The x2 bonus is a good incentive to play cws instead of 3v3s (point has been made before), since otherwise most low ranks would play 3v3s, since they are quicker to set up and more sp.
The point of 3v3s are to practice for cws, so it makes sense that people would want to have as many "games" as possible instead of always practicing.
I still dont understand why x2 sp is an issue, since it gives high ranks no benefit except a higher rank, and gives low ranks the ability to get ups faster and become more competitive

What's wrong with playing 3v3s instead of Clan Wars? If players think 3v3s offer more fun per investment of effort, they'll play 3v3s, as they should. Nothing wrong with that.

The point of 3v3s are not to practice for Clan Wars. That is your subjective interpretation, and one I disagree with. The point of 3v3s are to play 3v3s and have fun. Nothing more, nothing less. If players play 3v3s to practice for Clan Wars, that is their private decision and one that should have no bearing on how others play 3v3s.

If you think that bonus isn't an issue because it doesn't mean anything to high ranks and allows low ranks to afford more upgrades, perhaps we should offer an SP bonus to all games. I hope you see how absurd that is.

Napisao International, 05.05.2015 at 10:19

If you think that bonus isn't an issue because it doesn't mean anything to high ranks and allows low ranks to afford more upgrades, perhaps we should offer an SP bonus to all games. I hope you see how absurd that is.

In this case, I just dont think the system is broken, it definitely gets people to at least try the competitive scene

congratz on your 666th post

Napisao dinoscout, 05.05.2015 at 10:21

Napisao International, 05.05.2015 at 10:19

If you think that bonus isn't an issue because it doesn't mean anything to high ranks and allows low ranks to afford more upgrades, perhaps we should offer an SP bonus to all games. I hope you see how absurd that is.

In this case, I just dont think the system is broken, it definitely gets people to at least try the competitive scene

congratz on your 666th post

...please don't make me repeat that point yet again. I swear, I should keep this line handy on my desktop for quick CTRL-C/CTRL-V'ing.

If "the competitive scene" is not appealing enough to advertise itself, SP should not be used to "encourage" players to play games they don't find fun enough to play without the bonus.

Oh, and thanks. 666th post, is it? Sounds ominous.

Napisao dinoscout, 05.05.2015 at 10:21

congratz on your 666th post

OMG eviLLLL

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OT: I just noticed even those who agree to the removal differ in their argument. Might as well do nothing against controversial issues like this one...

Maybe with the time people will change taste.

Napisao clovis1122, 05.05.2015 at 10:28

OT: I just noticed even those who agree to the removal differ in their argument. Might as well do nothing against controversial issues like this one...

Maybe with the time people will change taste.

Or you could just freaking support my suggestion since it solves all your problems....

Napisao RaulPB, 05.05.2015 at 11:00

Or you could just freaking support my suggestion since it solves all your problems....

More SP for low ranks = More play-for-lose. Ideally they should'be encouraged to play more 3vs3 or against clans with fair ranks...

fair ranks...

what about a type of Nerf for unfair Ranks CW?

But then Low ranks would be discouraged to play against the strongest, which is the best way to learn... A kind-of. Unless those low ranks also have high ranks on their side...

A Nerf might work here... But players would be classified by ranks, the lowest rank but strongest player would have a very high advantage...

Which doesn't have much drawbacks... So yeah, a Nerf on unfair ranks might work.

Napisao clovis1122, 05.05.2015 at 11:04

More SP for low ranks = More play-for-lose. Ideally they should'be encouraged to play more 3vs3 or against clans with fair ranks...

Why are you so sure that low ranks would play just to lose? And you realize that if you lose you barely get any SP right? So the boost would barely give them any useful SP at all... the boost is more effective the more SP you earn in game. Besides, the boost would never be superior to 2 and the higher the rank the less you get, it would proporcionally decrease with the rank or something similar.

Napisao RaulPB, 05.05.2015 at 11:17

Napisao clovis1122, 05.05.2015 at 11:04

More SP for low ranks = More play-for-lose. Ideally they should'be encouraged to play more 3vs3 or against clans with fair ranks...

Why are you so sure that low ranks would play just to lose? And you realize that if you lose you barely get any SP right? So the boost would barely give them any useful SP at all... the boost is more effective the more SP you earn in game. Besides, the boost would never be superior to 2 and the higher the rank the less you get, it would proporcionally decrease with the rank or something similar.

Because I've see and I've also asked. In fact I've also made a review about one clan once.

http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=16624

After reading line 5 of the interview you realize that they weren't thinking about winning the Clan War.

And who play for lose? Nobody should...

... Unless, of course, you are managing a "Training clan" and you want your players to learn, but since high ranks won't play 3vs3.... the user of the training clan is forced to accept CW's in unfair conditions just so his members can learn from the best.

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Whenever you look it, is a circle:

1) A part of High ranks won't play 3vs3 because in CW they earn more, or they are just inactives enough for "not wasting their time without reward".

2) Another part of High Ranks, since they have no match in 3vs3, is also forced by the other part to play CW. Me for example, if I find players like Fer, Zone, Don, Mauzer, I would join the 3vs3 because it would be EPIC... but being honest, how much chances does this have to happen?

3) In the end, high ranks are greatly encouraged to play CW's if they are looking for a challenge, fun, etc etc... in 3vs3 you will rather find a high rank... maybe testing something, maybe just killing up time. But what I really hate of this system is that they are capable of troll a 3vs3 because they are called for "CW". Also, they pick weird strategies / combos with high chances of lose.

Man, you have no idea of how much I hate someone leaving a game because he have to "CW"..... And look at me, I really like CW's but even I don't go far enough to troll a damm game for it...

Why high ranks does this.... the answer is a kind of obvious; Because CW's are like 300 times more important than a simply 3vs3.

4) The effect of this misbehavior is low ranks lacking of competence, except themselves. Since they are all noobs and does the same noob moves... but also, they don't have where to learn, except joining a clan (Encouraged to play CW's, once again).

Must also add on this chair, as effect of the next paragraph, that the low ranks who plays CW's are usually stronger than those who doesn't.

5) Now both high ranks and low ranks are encouraged to play CW's. But you won't say 11-11-11 against 8-7-7 is fair, right? This makes what we call "Farming clans". But you must also admit that, even though they get farmed, they learn a lot with this. It is such a controversial issue whenever a clan should play lower ranks or not...

6) Oh, since one group of Low ranks are now in the growing CW's, the other group will either get stick to another map/scenario, or simply keep playing 3vs3 with the hopes of playing CW's one day. Other group, makes their own clan and do what the first group did.

7) Who will teach those players? Well high ranks are unwilling because ... well this already belong to off-topic. I'll leave it here, because the circle really starts here.

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For resume the long chair, what I mean is that the best way to learn is , honestly, entering to a farming clan, and getting defeat one and other time against high ranks. This is why I assure you that they will play for lose. They know they have few chances of victory, but they also know they will learn a lot.

Also, since they get 2x SP... they won't be really losing much. You lose half SP when losing, but you also earn 2x SP on clan wars. both mixed nullified, so you would be earning normal amount of SP... and if you win, you earn double + a part of the other's SP... This looks too much for me.

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The thematic of farming clans should'be discouraged. The removal of 2x SP will only reduce this a bit, while also reducing the rank inflation.

When I told you that even us, those who want this 2x SP boost's removal differ on our arguments, was because I notice none of them really introduce the low ranks on their argument.

International argues for equality on any play mode.

Meester and Desu argues for a "push" that is not needed now that the Clan Wars are common.

I personally argue for 1) Rank inflation and 2) Reduction of Unfair Clan Wars.

Is from my believe that the removal of 2x SP multiplier will reduce this...

Everyone keeps saying 2x sp is a good incentive for low ranks too CW, but where is this shown since the 2x sp was implemented.

I don't see low ranks Cw'ing like crazy, or low ranks cw'ing low ranks ...sometimes low ranks cw'ing but high ranks involved.
2x sp mainly motivated strong, high ranking already established clans to CW more, or maybe motivation could be found firstly in the maximizing the limit of Clan wars that count.

btw. who gives a ...why is it so important for low ranks to CW? ...play 3v3, join a clan, prove yourself, rank up ...then in a natural flow start playing CW's for your clan when you have ranked up, got good upgrades and skill.

My opinions on this summarized

1. i dont care personally wether u remove x2 or add x200 or -200

b.) i feel however a reward of somekind should be made to frequent cw players, low and high ranks.

2. 1 cw = 200 rps, skillwise. So x2 doesnt really sound so unfair.

3. @ clovis the classic competitive- hater/betrayor

We wanted more cws and we got them. We have a very active season and a new clan Coza took Illyrias place this season and pushed forward in activity and skill. Problem is the skill gap, because most people have reached a high skill level now. You cant ask players after a certain point to go back and play 3v3s instead of cwing. "3v3" is another term for "practice game", in most cases people are trying stuff, training or plain trolling. They dont communicate, they dont send money east and they dont play for the team but for themselves, in most cases. So why the hell would i want to go back and play 3v3 now, unless i want to try something new or de-rust a little?

p.s. also, x2 sp on cws is not incentive but a tool for those few ranks 6,7 and 8 who bust their ass to play competitively and only gain the little sp, 3v3's offer. I admire these low ranks and they are one reason you shouldnt take this away from them.

Napisao clovis1122, 05.05.2015 at 08:03

Napisao Croat, 05.05.2015 at 04:52

Btw, clovis hints are pretty silly and uncorrect.....
especially this one that there are less 3v3s and practises because now all are playing only CWs cuz they want to win 2xSP.
Just LOOOOOL
and one that there are more cw's in ancient maps. During this whole season, there were 2 or 3 CWs in ancient.

mind if I ask you how much 3vs3 have you played in the last week?

Then, how much Clan Wars have you played in the last week?

I checked at your games history, unless you left those games or they had a different name from "3v3", I can assure you had played:

7 clan wars.
2 "3vs3".

If this is not enough proof for you then try asking any other high rank like ferlucci, panteri, mauzer or eagles...

... Or maybe there is any reason that makes you think that CW's should'be played more than 3vs3? That you should take a lot of exams rather than practicing for them?

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Also, related to players preferring CW instead of 3vs3 "for SP"... This is not what I've said. For quote that point:

Napisao clovis1122, 30.11.2014 at 17:09

•) Probably the most negative effect: It greatly damage the current 3vs3 system. Players tend to CW more often, and 3vs3 less. This of course damage the player on long-term (no practice) and also affect the new players that still play 3vs3 on main lobby (no expert hand for play)

Where do you see 2x SP here? By context this is one of the effects nothing else. There may be any high rank or two who plays for SP, but that doesn't mean the majority does. When you go to low ranks, this number grows.

But maybe you are right and I should had specified about it...

... Unless of course, we add a penalty for losing (one of my suggestions) In this way both low ranks and high ranks will need to play 3vs3 more often... Additionally, if that penalty was an SP reduction by a factor based on how much CW's you lose in a row, the 2x SP multiplier could very well stay. Kind of "The winner takes it all".
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Related to ancient map, if you remember right there was a clan called "Praetorian Guardians". Made just for play ancient. Also, SA is not the only clan who play there since I hear illyria got some good combos there... Maybe not this season, but be sure at the time of that thread it was.

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P.D: When I say 3vs3 I refer to a game made in main lobby called "3v3" with standard settings like eu+ , 4 minutes, 10k, etc... just so you don't confuse it with a Clan War 3vs3 with standard settings...

Wut Bro... That argument for less 3vs3 play is total bullshit....
It's obvious that playing a cw is way more interesting and funny than playing 3vs3.. If you had to choose between having a cw and 3vs3 what would you choose héh ?
And it's not about " SHOULD BE MORE PLAYED " or anything. it's just about the occasions every players has to play cw and we do have lots in Cosa.

Bro you sometime have some good idea but you are making so much theorical strange thinking around it that you really often loose all credibility.. Shame