Possible edit of Chinese and Russian regions in Atwar World Map

Question asked here is not understandable for most players therefore i give up and end the conversation.



China and Russia recently had military reforms which included reorganization, resizing and reducing military districts[regions]. I bring this up because our current world map in Atwar is based on military districts in Russia and China [while all others are based on national borders except USA and Brazil].


OLD REGIONS (jinan and nanjing are merged in atwar, you already know that)


Volga and Ural regions separated in atwar



NEW REGIONS





As you can see, China reduced its regions from 6 to 5, while Russia reduced from 7 to 4. Do you think this can be playable in Atwar gamestyle? My opinion is positive.

Pros: more cities in the region, more income, larger bonus, more troops during reinf
Cons: if regional capital is captured you are unable to use all cities in the region for reinf, income plummet


Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theater_commands_of_the_People%27s_Liberation_Army
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Russian_military_reform




If self-called 'competitive' players want to play competitive clan wars go make custom map, that's what it is for. Standard map reflect contemporary World.



P.S.
Also maybe add Crimea as part of Russia: South (just like Kalinigrad is part of Russia: Northwest). Latest changes were flag update for Libya and South Sudan added, while its been 2 years for Crimea change.

Support

Fuck no, you do realize that this afterwind society also has it competitive nature and being. relining these borders will A. unbalance 1v1 2v2 3v3 4v4. etc etc. also if you enlarge a region with alot of cities, all you need to do is take the capitol city away from the player of ownage this giving them much to resist from. smaller regions of a country helps keep balancing gameplay mechanics.

0 fucks no

Agree with Ritch this is a terrible idea for anyone who likes to actually think and strategizing let's just make 5 or 6 indiais russia/China, terrible idea no support.

Crimea should'be part of Russia: South. That would make the eastern side of Turkey and Ukraine more important therefore adding an interesting element to the mix. Since RS will become more valuable, Caucasus (which to be honest I only take due to reinforcements) could also become more valuable for sea control and to hit RS.

I doubt Russia would work since it is important in 3v3s and east duels but I see no issue with China

Napisao Richthofen, 08.08.2016 at 20:48

Fuck no, you do realize that this afterwind society also has it competitive nature and being. relining these borders will A. unbalance 1v1 2v2 3v3 4v4. etc etc. also if you enlarge a region with alot of cities, all you need to do is take the capitol city away from the player of ownage this giving them much to resist from. smaller regions of a country helps keep balancing gameplay mechanics.

0 fucks no

And Pakistan capturing India turn 2 is ok? That's balanced?

Napisao Helly, 08.08.2016 at 21:12

Agree with Ritch this is a terrible idea for anyone who like actually think and strategizing let's just make 5 or 6 indiain russia/China, terrible idea no support.

Should we mold the game according to competitiveness or mold competitiveness according to game?

As i remember, players applied their competitiveness and creativity on maps and gameplay Amok provided, not vice-versa.

I don't know if you were there, when we could make flower and had TB system in 2011, when that was changed, most vocal opponent was Desu, spamming forums and crying how game is ruined, then he got used to new gamestyle where he can't tb 100% anymore and units can go through enemy units and he remained competitive.

Why do you think game updates will ruin gamestyle if you know you will keep playing and update your playstyle?

Beside, there are custom competitive maps, no need to rely on standard world map anymore if you don't like it, it's all about agreement between competitive players what map and settings you want to play. Standard world map is not predetermined to be for CW anyway.

I am vocal opponent of changing 80% of the map but keep 20% intact because 5% of community dislike it because it will ruin their playstyle. You changed Sudan, Kosovo and Libya - now update other parts of the map. Be consistent.

Napisao Skanderbeg, 09.08.2016 at 06:33

Napisao Helly, 08.08.2016 at 21:12

Agree with Ritch this is a terrible idea for anyone who like actually think and strategizing let's just make 5 or 6 indiain russia/China, terrible idea no support.

Should we mold the game according to competitiveness or mold competitiveness according to game?

As i remember, players applied their competitiveness and creativity on maps and gameplay Amok provided, not vice-versa.

I don't know if you were there, when we could make flower and had TB system in 2011, when that was changed, most vocal opponent was Desu, spamming forums and crying how game is ruined, then he got used to new gamestyle where he can't tb 100% anymore and units can go through enemy units and he remained competitive.

Why do you think game updates will ruin gamestyle if you know you will keep playing and update your playstyle?

Beside, there are custom competitive maps, no need to rely on standard world map anymore if you don't like it, it's all about agreement between competitive players what map and settings you want to play. Standard world map is not predetermined to be for CW anyway.

I am vocal opponent of changing 80% of the map but keep 20% intact because 5% of community dislike it because it will ruin their playstyle. You changed Sudan, Kosovo and Libya - now update other parts of the map. Be consistent.

Tl/Dr I'm a map maker, don't tell me some stupid shit like this, the game is built around balancing of the 3 regions of America's europe and asia, and changing that for a more rp friendly crap fest would make me turn in my grave, you obviously don't know what your talking about, nore does it matter because they won't be changing anything, they have not changed anything since March and are obviously on one of there year long vacations from working on this game. Our mods are comp players, our veterans are comp players, we always matter in every single community on the internet, competitive players are the back bone of multiplayer gaming and what we want is always taken into consideration.


Edit: there was tbing in 2011 aswell jackass the system just change to a % per unit ratio instead of a random occurrence.

Napisao Skanderbeg, 09.08.2016 at 06:25

Napisao Richthofen, 08.08.2016 at 20:48

Fuck no, you do realize that this afterwind society also has it competitive nature and being. relining these borders will A. unbalance 1v1 2v2 3v3 4v4. etc etc. also if you enlarge a region with alot of cities, all you need to do is take the capitol city away from the player of ownage this giving them much to resist from. smaller regions of a country helps keep balancing gameplay mechanics.

0 fucks no

And Pakistan capturing India turn 2 is ok? That's balanced?

So why would we make more regions like india? If anything they should break india into a bunch if regions, and he was talking about competitive eu+ player with Russia being an integral part of balancing the turk/ ukraine war that has been part of this game since it's conception, unifying russian states ruins the balance because then turkey has fewer places it needs to target, the only thing I support is adding Crimea to russia south, everything else you said sounds like your living in a diferent universe and doesn't even rationally make sense. This is probably why your shit ideology killed itself.

Napisao Richthofen, 08.08.2016 at 20:48

Fuck no, you do realize that this afterwind society also has it competitive nature and being. relining these borders will A. unbalance 1v1 2v2 3v3 4v4. etc etc. also if you enlarge a region with alot of cities, all you need to do is take the capitol city away from the player of ownage this giving them much to resist from. smaller regions of a country helps keep balancing gameplay mechanics.

0 fucks no

as rich told, ffs no.

Napisao Helly, 09.08.2016 at 08:23

So why would we make more regions like india? If anything they should break india into a bunch if regions, and he was talking about competitive eu+ player with Russia being an integral part of balancing the turk/ ukraine war that has been part of this game since it's conception, unifying russian states ruins the balance because then turkey has fewer places it needs to target, the only thing I support is adding Crimea to russia south, everything else you said sounds like your living in a diferent universe and doesn't even rationally make sense. This is probably why your shit ideology killed itself.

Can't talk to you.. you're obviously oblivious what you're saying.. every second word is profanity. I highly doubt you understood my point.

Napisao Helly, 09.08.2016 at 07:57

Edit: there was tbing in 2011 aswell jackass the system just change to a % per unit ratio instead of a random occurrence.

>I say there was TB in 2011
>he replies with 'there was tb in 2011 as well jackass'

My god this guy is retarded... I give up on him, he is lost case.

Napisao Skanderbeg, 09.08.2016 at 13:49

Napisao Helly, 09.08.2016 at 08:23

So why would we make more regions like india? If anything they should break india into a bunch if regions, and he was talking about competitive eu+ player with Russia being an integral part of balancing the turk/ ukraine war that has been part of this game since it's conception, unifying russian states ruins the balance because then turkey has fewer places it needs to target, the only thing I support is adding Crimea to russia south, everything else you said sounds like your living in a diferent universe and doesn't even rationally make sense. This is probably why your shit ideology killed itself.

Can't talk to you.. you're obviously oblivious what you're saying.. every second word is profanity. I highly doubt you understood my point.

Learn to speak english.

Napisao Skanderbeg, 09.08.2016 at 13:51

Napisao Helly, 09.08.2016 at 07:57

Edit: there was tbing in 2011 aswell jackass the system just change to a % per unit ratio instead of a random occurrence.

>I say there was TB in 2011
>he replies with 'there was tb in 2011 as well jackass'

My god this guy is retarded... I give up on him, he is lost case.

Learn to speak english.

It would unbalance east in cws and 3n3 games too much imo

Napisao Skanderbeg, 09.08.2016 at 13:51

Napisao Helly, 09.08.2016 at 07:57

Edit: there was tbing in 2011 aswell jackass the system just change to a % per unit ratio instead of a random occurrence.

>I say there was TB in 2011
>he replies with 'there was tb in 2011 as well jackass'

My god this guy is retarded... I give up on him, he is lost case.

Because you are noob in 3v3, that doesn't mean others are, just give up, if you want to make new regions of China and russia, make new map and do it.

Napisao Oleg, 09.08.2016 at 19:40

Because you are noob in 3v3, that doesn't mean others are, just give up, if you want to make new regions of China and russia, make new map and do it.

Tells me the greatest loser of CWs... but that's not the point here. Point is standard map is not updated for 5 years.

Customs maps are not STANDARD ATWAR MAP.

Napisao Helly, 09.08.2016 at 18:28

Learn to speak english.

I already speak the linguae, next to few more, unlike you who barely speak that one

Your trolling won't make the difference, you just show how pathetic you are and unable to respond constructively. You see no one bothers to talk to you normally anymore. I'll make fun of you for some more time and then ignore you like everyone else.

Napisao Skanderbeg, 10.08.2016 at 07:23

Napisao Oleg, 09.08.2016 at 19:40

Because you are noob in 3v3, that doesn't mean others are, just give up, if you want to make new regions of China and russia, make new map and do it.

Tells me the greatest loser of CWs... but that's not the point here. Point is standard map is not updated for 5 years.

Customs maps are not STANDARD ATWAR MAP.

LoL, tells me the guy who expands only to Belarus, RC, RNW and Finland as Ukraine xD
I cannot be the greatest loser of CWs, you are worst loser man.
Stop trying to be helpful to game when you are a fag and will always be.

Napisao Ghostface, 09.08.2016 at 19:01

It would unbalance east in cws and 3n3 games too much imo

I explained that above!

Point is YOU should adapt to the map, not MAP to adapt to you!

When Amok created map in 2010 and added clans in 2011, we adapted to the map we were given, and we were competitive. There's nothing wrong with that. Now time came to update the map, so players should simply adapt to new changes and that's it, it's easy.

IF competitive players dislike new updated map - they can always create CUSTOM map to play competitive matches they like, like Destoria or Dreamworld.

Standard map is first map players play and it is even in the tutorial. It is the map of the contemporary world. That mean it have to be the map from 2016. But because it is silly to update the map every year, it can be done every 3-5 (although it would be nice to be updated every 365 days, world is not changing that much anyway).

Napisao Oleg, 10.08.2016 at 07:26

LoL, tells me the guy who expands only to Belarus, RC, RNW and Finland as Ukraine xD
I cannot be the greatest loser of CWs, you are worst loser man.
Stop trying to be helpful to game when you are a fag and will always be.

Go back upvoting yourself with Zlo account.

Gg cheating admins to give you 2 premium profiles. God forbid you earn enough to buy it and put effort to reach rank 10

Napisao Skanderbeg, 10.08.2016 at 07:29

Napisao Ghostface, 09.08.2016 at 19:01

It would unbalance east in cws and 3n3 games too much imo

I explained that above!

Point is YOU should adapt to the map, not MAP to adapt to you!

When Amok created map in 2010 and added clans in 2011, we adapted to the map we were given, and we were competitive. There's nothing wrong with that. Now time came to update the map, so players should simply adapt to new changes and that's it, it's easy.

The map is balanced and if it ain't broke why fix it and possibly make it worse?

Citiraj:

IF competitive players dislike new updated map - they can always create CUSTOM map to play competitive matches they like, like Destoria or Dreamworld.

Similarly, if players (*cough*you*cough*) dislike current map, they can always create custom maps to play with the type of regions they want. Besides its not like the borders between countries changed where China and Russia are concerned. Just a military reorganization of internal regions.

Citiraj:

Standard map is first map players play and it is even in the tutorial. It is the map of the contemporary world. That mean it have to be the map from 2016. But because it is silly to update the map every year, it can be done every 3-5 (although it would be nice to be updated every 365 days, world is not changing that much anyway).

Dude last I checked the borders between countries were fine (except maybe Kosovo, and Crimea). Why does it matter how countries are divided. Also, slicing up India would be bad because it would make Indonesia and China a lot stronger. There's a reason India wasn't divided while USA, Russia and China were after 2010, and that reason is balancing the map.

Alrighty then,
Here's my two cents.
If we are going to revamp the default world map to be 'ahem' accurate. then USA, Canada, South America and Australia, ALL need to revamped as well, because they are not accurate, according to your logic. India is one country and as large and economically viable in the game as it is, it is still not divided into regions where as USA and others are. Why should we revamp China and Russia just to be "accurate" with current political or military standards when the default map is not current nor accurate with any of the aforementioned countries and or continental regions. Yet you seem to expect an adjustment to the default map for only two countries because of some re-bordering by said countries. Either everything is readjusted or nothing should be. Just my opinion. Thank you. Oh and by the way, they can't even get HTML map editor done, what makes you think they could or would ever manage to re-vamp the default world map?


P.S.
What is linguae? Did you mean language? Or are you trying to use the french word LINGUA, which stands for the tongue, as in the body part or organ not the representation of a native language. And yes linguae is plural for lingua, as in I have cut many peoples tongues out of there mouths, not I speak many different tongues, as in languages.

We can't even get the map editor when it's 8 months overdue and you think this will happen

Napisao Darth., 10.08.2016 at 08:49

The map is balanced and if it ain't broke why fix it and possibly make it worse?

F*ck this planet, more education you create, dumber humans become

World Map is 2016 WORLD, not BALANCED MAP FOR CLAN WARS ITS NOT MADE FOR THAT AND NEVER WAS INTENTION CUSTOM MAPS AND TOOLS ARE ADDED FOR THAT

Napisao Darth., 10.08.2016 at 08:49

Similarly, if players (*cough*you*cough*) dislike current map, they can always create custom maps to play with the type of regions they want.

I CREATE CUSTOM MAPS WHEN I LIKE IT BUT STANDARD 2016 WORLD MAP OFFICIAL AFTERWIND/ATWAR MAP WITH ITS CONTINENTS CITIES AND COUNTRIES IS NOT CUSTOM BUT FOUNDATION

Napisao Warmonger Dak, 10.08.2016 at 09:23

Alrighty then,
Here's my two cents.
If we are going to revamp the default world map to be 'ahem' accurate. then USA, Canada, South America and Australia, ALL need to revamped as well, because they are not accurate, according to your logic. India is one country and as large and economically viable in the game as it is, it is still not divided into regions where as USA and others are. Why should we revamp China and Russia just to be "accurate" with current political or military standards when the default map is not current nor accurate with any of the aforementioned countries and or continental regions. Yet you seem to expect an adjustment to the default map for only two countries because of some re-bordering by said countries. Either everything is readjusted or nothing should be. Just my opinion. Thank you. Oh and by the way, they can't even get HTML map editor done, what makes you think they could or would ever manage to re-vamp the default world map?

Respectfully,
Warmonger Dak

P.S.
What is linguae? Did you mean language? Or are you trying to use the french word LINGUA, which stands for the tongue, as in the body part or organ not the representation of a native language. And yes linguae is plural for lingua, as in I have cut many peoples tongues out of there mouths, not I speak many different tongues, as in languages.

lingua
noun lin·gua ˈliŋ-gwə
Medical Definition of lingua
plural linguae -ˌgwē, -ˌgwī
: a tongue or an organ resembling a tongue in structure or function

I give up on this topic, don't worry.

Point was to update standard atwar map and i simply proposed few regional changes since those states which created changes for themselves probably know better than us i assumed we could discuss them and add them. Next i would propose discussion for National Guard or Federal Divisions change for United States but no point when players doesn't understand the question. They changed this topic to balance and clan wars.

I do not understand.Why shouldn't balance and clan wars be discussed? Your proposal would have a direct impact upon the balance of the default balance of the game, particularly since the default world map, which is what you are proposing to change, is the baseline that all maps are based upon. Which then would directly affect clan wars and everything else in the game. You change the the status quo, you change everything, the game itself, you would throw everything out of whack. So every aspect should be looked at and discussed. Or did you not think it through before saying something? Or do you not like opposing opinions to your idea being discussed? To me it seems like you want to keep the default world map realistic, in which case you would need to change more than just China and Russia, which was my point. But I believe you are forgetting that this is a game and not the real world, and thusly balance, to keep the game playable overrules realism, otherwise USA would have 50 states and every country would have alot more cities in them. But realism kills the game. But then again I think this is why the map maker was created, so people like you who come up with ideas like this and think they would be fun to play can create said maps and the default stays the same and the game plays on.

Personally I prefer a fun map than a realistic map. That is quite ironic coming from someone who plays maps made by realism autists buuuuuuuuuuuuut...

I know that the standard map wasn't meant to be "balanced" in any way. But it turned out to be some sort of bastion for competitive games. So changing it now would mean more trouble than solutions, even if it were for the sake or realism. Your suggestion should probably be used for a custom map instead