Should Custom Maps be Community Assets?

Let's just say the ToS isn't as old or as inviolable as it seems. Mapmakers have been far more interested in what goes on in that regard than you all just looking it up for the first time, and we have some pretty interesting responses to that although I won't reveal our hand in this stupid thread.

Now I like Amok and Ivan. I think they created a great game and have been nice to their content creators, which I appreciate. They know its mutually beneficial. As of right now, they are working on HTML5 map making tools, and don't forget they gave us ban lists. Most of this anti-map makers comes from the Mods. They, and those that support them, have this idea that map makers are arrogant dicks who create maps just so they can take them down or add people to banlists and laugh. "These ebil map makers must be punished! We must seize their content for the glorious soviet states of atwaria" - t. Mods. Hey guess what, you players can just stop playing maps made by those ebil map makers and they no longer have power over you. However, that is not the case for bad mods, one mod recently (who I will not name) has had a huge number of people vote for his removal but he won't get removed. So really consider who is the one causing the problems. The people creating content and banning trolls, or the people fighting against those people? In conclusion, lets stop trying to make unnecessary changes for the worse, atwar functions right now quite well.

Nope, all the points that I've grave are still intact.

gl arguing for nothing though.

Napisao Helly, 31.10.2015 at 04:33

Napisao Khal.eesi, 30.10.2015 at 20:09

Horrible thread. my head hurts so bad after reading. i have one question. from pulse's link of the terms of service, its clearly shown that mapmakers dont actually control their maps, rather atwar does. If that is the case why are you all having this discussion, if the matter is already decided?

They changed the terms of service in secret a few months ago and told no one. That in itself is criminal and if persued I'd think of suing for my money back this is not what I payed for. The very fact pulse would try to use that as a building point to Persue and justify robbing us of our work makes me wish I would of never found this game and wasted so many hours. The admins are blind and the mods are fucked in the head. I don't know what else to say. If my maps are taken from me I'll want a refund, as I was never asked to accept a new terms of service for a product I payed for which gave admins sole proprietarship over something I spent more time working on then I do on most days as a general manager for my paying career. This is illegal.

Agree, if this persists, I demand a refund. What admin and this powerhungry mods are doing is illegal.

Napisao Aetius, 01.11.2015 at 13:02

Let's just say the ToS isn't as old or as inviolable as it seems. Mapmakers have been far more interested in what goes on in that regard than you all just looking it up for the first time, and we have some pretty interesting responses to that although I won't reveal our hand in this stupid thread.

Now I like Amok and Ivan. I think they created a great game and have been nice to their content creators, which I appreciate. They know its mutually beneficial. As of right now, they are working on HTML5 map making tools, and don't forget they gave us ban lists. Most of this anti-map makers comes from the Mods. They, and those that support them, have this idea that map makers are arrogant dicks who create maps just so they can take them down or add people to banlists and laugh. "These ebil map makers must be punished! We must seize their content for the glorious soviet states of atwaria" - t. Mods. Hey guess what, you players can just stop playing maps made by those ebil map makers and they no longer have power over you. However, that is not the case for bad mods, one mod recently (who I will not name) has had a huge number of people vote for his removal but he won't get removed. So really consider who is the one causing the problems. The people creating content and banning trolls, or the people fighting against those people? In conclusion, lets stop trying to make unnecessary changes for the worse, atwar functions right now quite well.

For once, someone said it right.

This game will not be killed by HTML5, this game will be killed by mods who want to continuosly update features in a game that work quite well as they are right now, they want to make useless reforms that wont boost the game but just damage it and weaken the community.
Mods, for you that 90% of you barely know anything about mapmaking, don't spoil the one true section that makes atwar alive, custom quality-made maps that attract a variety of peoples to the games, from fans of RPG games, to political strategy games, etc...
Mapmakers are kind of vital to the game, just like the players.
The current system for mapmaker and the banlists is good as they sit, altough mods are biased towards some people and ban people for "abuse" of the banlist because they get spammed with blank ban reports.

Sincerely,
A player that keeps on promoting the game and producing maps to appeal to the community sectors.

My lack of upvotes for all my defending is alarming.....

Napisao clovis1122, 01.11.2015 at 13:03

Nope, all the points that I've grave are still intact.

10/10 argument

Napisao Helly, 01.11.2015 at 13:43

My lack of upvotes for all my defending is alarming.....

I'll give u an upvote now.

Napisao Helly, 01.11.2015 at 11:59

I had to rebuy it because I had to buy full premium as the feature no longer exsisted to buy packages. Aswell as I was 16 at the time broke in an impoverish enviornment. I'm 19 now I own several automobile factories and a lawyer team made OJ Simpson not guilty money wins wars.

Edit: I don't want a refund I want my rights but if I can't get them I want refunds for all my map making brothers. Or I want us to have the right to leave the game with our content from before the tos change. That way there is no confusion who owns what anymore.

I entirely agree, now usually I just stay in my ivory tower - retired from map making and not actually reading forums. But I had the misfortune of hearing of this most retarded event.

Napisao Al Fappino, 01.11.2015 at 13:35

Agree, if this persists, I demand a refund. What admin and this powerhungry mods are doing is illegal.

Yes, yes. Considering the ARC treasury funded about 20 lifetime premium accounts between Jan 2014 - Oct 2015, from fappino to gami to hokies, etc.that's quite a large refund that will have to be given back, isn't it Fappino?

Napisao Aetius, 01.11.2015 at 13:02

Let's just say the ToS isn't as old or as inviolable as it seems. Mapmakers have been far more interested in what goes on in that regard than you all just looking it up for the first time, and we have some pretty interesting responses to that although I won't reveal our hand in this stupid thread.

Now I like Amok and Ivan. I think they created a great game and have been nice to their content creators, which I appreciate. They know its mutually beneficial. As of right now, they are working on HTML5 map making tools, and don't forget they gave us ban lists. Most of this anti-map makers comes from the Mods. They, and those that support them, have this idea that map makers are arrogant dicks who create maps just so they can take them down or add people to banlists and laugh. "These ebil map makers must be punished! We must seize their content for the glorious soviet states of atwaria" - t. Mods. Hey guess what, you players can just stop playing maps made by those ebil map makers and they no longer have power over you. However, that is not the case for bad mods, one mod recently (who I will not name) has had a huge number of people vote for his removal but he won't get removed. So really consider who is the one causing the problems. The people creating content and banning trolls, or the people fighting against those people? In conclusion, lets stop trying to make unnecessary changes for the worse, atwar functions right now quite well.

Agree, just their intervention with banlist abuses is already a bit too much, because if a map maker bans too much, people will just stop playing. [though i understand why they may regulate it] And now this weird communism aswell? Oh god sake mods, get your shit together.

Napisao Helly, 01.11.2015 at 13:43

My lack of upvotes for all my defending is alarming.....

I quoted you, that's worth 500 upvotes <3

Napisao Al Fappino, 01.11.2015 at 13:40

Napisao Aetius, 01.11.2015 at 13:02

Let's just say the ToS isn't as old or as inviolable as it seems. Mapmakers have been far more interested in what goes on in that regard than you all just looking it up for the first time, and we have some pretty interesting responses to that although I won't reveal our hand in this stupid thread.

Now I like Amok and Ivan. I think they created a great game and have been nice to their content creators, which I appreciate. They know its mutually beneficial. As of right now, they are working on HTML5 map making tools, and don't forget they gave us ban lists. Most of this anti-map makers comes from the Mods. They, and those that support them, have this idea that map makers are arrogant dicks who create maps just so they can take them down or add people to banlists and laugh. "These ebil map makers must be punished! We must seize their content for the glorious soviet states of atwaria" - t. Mods. Hey guess what, you players can just stop playing maps made by those ebil map makers and they no longer have power over you. However, that is not the case for bad mods, one mod recently (who I will not name) has had a huge number of people vote for his removal but he won't get removed. So really consider who is the one causing the problems. The people creating content and banning trolls, or the people fighting against those people? In conclusion, lets stop trying to make unnecessary changes for the worse, atwar functions right now quite well.

For once, someone said it right.

This game will not be killed by HTML5, this game will be killed by mods who want to continuosly update features in a game that work quite well as they are right now, they want to make useless reforms that wont boost the game but just damage it and weaken the community.
Mods, for you that 90% of you barely know anything about mapmaking, don't spoil the one true section that makes atwar alive, custom quality-made maps that attract a variety of peoples to the games, from fans of RPG games, to political strategy games, etc...
Mapmakers are kind of vital to the game, just like the players.
The current system for mapmaker and the banlists is good as they sit, altough mods are biased towards some people and ban people for "abuse" of the banlist because they get spammed with blank ban reports.

Sincerely,
A player that keeps on promoting the game and producing maps to appeal to the community sectors.

I'm not disagreeing with you dude but... you personally don't make QUALITY-made maps.

Napisao Zephyrusu, 01.11.2015 at 13:56

Napisao Al Fappino, 01.11.2015 at 13:40

Napisao Aetius, 01.11.2015 at 13:02

Let's just say the ToS isn't as old or as inviolable as it seems. Mapmakers have been far more interested in what goes on in that regard than you all just looking it up for the first time, and we have some pretty interesting responses to that although I won't reveal our hand in this stupid thread.

Now I like Amok and Ivan. I think they created a great game and have been nice to their content creators, which I appreciate. They know its mutually beneficial. As of right now, they are working on HTML5 map making tools, and don't forget they gave us ban lists. Most of this anti-map makers comes from the Mods. They, and those that support them, have this idea that map makers are arrogant dicks who create maps just so they can take them down or add people to banlists and laugh. "These ebil map makers must be punished! We must seize their content for the glorious soviet states of atwaria" - t. Mods. Hey guess what, you players can just stop playing maps made by those ebil map makers and they no longer have power over you. However, that is not the case for bad mods, one mod recently (who I will not name) has had a huge number of people vote for his removal but he won't get removed. So really consider who is the one causing the problems. The people creating content and banning trolls, or the people fighting against those people? In conclusion, lets stop trying to make unnecessary changes for the worse, atwar functions right now quite well.

For once, someone said it right.

This game will not be killed by HTML5, this game will be killed by mods who want to continuosly update features in a game that work quite well as they are right now, they want to make useless reforms that wont boost the game but just damage it and weaken the community.
Mods, for you that 90% of you barely know anything about mapmaking, don't spoil the one true section that makes atwar alive, custom quality-made maps that attract a variety of peoples to the games, from fans of RPG games, to political strategy games, etc...
Mapmakers are kind of vital to the game, just like the players.
The current system for mapmaker and the banlists is good as they sit, altough mods are biased towards some people and ban people for "abuse" of the banlist because they get spammed with blank ban reports.

Sincerely,
A player that keeps on promoting the game and producing maps to appeal to the community sectors.

I'm not disagreeing with you dude but... you personally don't make QUALITY-made maps.

I assume your #MittelAfrika backs it up? I was referring to the community overall, those mapmakers who are active and have notoriety for their work, and have some skill regarding mapmaking, your opinion should not be based solely on the fact I own 2 RPs, lol.

Napisao Al Fappino, 01.11.2015 at 14:01

Napisao Zephyrusu, 01.11.2015 at 13:56

Napisao Al Fappino, 01.11.2015 at 13:40

Napisao Aetius, 01.11.2015 at 13:02

Let's just say the ToS isn't as old or as inviolable as it seems. Mapmakers have been far more interested in what goes on in that regard than you all just looking it up for the first time, and we have some pretty interesting responses to that although I won't reveal our hand in this stupid thread.

Now I like Amok and Ivan. I think they created a great game and have been nice to their content creators, which I appreciate. They know its mutually beneficial. As of right now, they are working on HTML5 map making tools, and don't forget they gave us ban lists. Most of this anti-map makers comes from the Mods. They, and those that support them, have this idea that map makers are arrogant dicks who create maps just so they can take them down or add people to banlists and laugh. "These ebil map makers must be punished! We must seize their content for the glorious soviet states of atwaria" - t. Mods. Hey guess what, you players can just stop playing maps made by those ebil map makers and they no longer have power over you. However, that is not the case for bad mods, one mod recently (who I will not name) has had a huge number of people vote for his removal but he won't get removed. So really consider who is the one causing the problems. The people creating content and banning trolls, or the people fighting against those people? In conclusion, lets stop trying to make unnecessary changes for the worse, atwar functions right now quite well.

For once, someone said it right.

This game will not be killed by HTML5, this game will be killed by mods who want to continuosly update features in a game that work quite well as they are right now, they want to make useless reforms that wont boost the game but just damage it and weaken the community.
Mods, for you that 90% of you barely know anything about mapmaking, don't spoil the one true section that makes atwar alive, custom quality-made maps that attract a variety of peoples to the games, from fans of RPG games, to political strategy games, etc...
Mapmakers are kind of vital to the game, just like the players.
The current system for mapmaker and the banlists is good as they sit, altough mods are biased towards some people and ban people for "abuse" of the banlist because they get spammed with blank ban reports.

Sincerely,
A player that keeps on promoting the game and producing maps to appeal to the community sectors.

I'm not disagreeing with you dude but... you personally don't make QUALITY-made maps.

I assume your #MittelAfrika backs it up? I was referring to the community overall, those mapmakers who are active and have notoriety for their work, and have some skill regarding mapmaking, your opinion should not be based solely on the fact I own 2 RPs, lol.

Being able to make it =/= making it

Zeph and Fappy, could you both please not argue about this in this thread? We are trying to defend ourselves, not seem childish.

Now for my personal view, now I care little if this offends anyone; [Also i haven't actually read 97% of the posts here, so if this has been mentioned before, sorry]

Firstly if the AtWar community was nice, then i'd have no issue with this whatsoever, because it would stimulate the map making community [if everyone was selfless and really did care for improving the content creation] now maybe some credits should be given - to who contributed to what. because I know people like aetius etc. like getting credit, but this is normal.

However the AtWar community is quite toxic.

Now the fact is this, for me, is less about rights and stuff like that, and more about the monopolies, because this would effectively bring down all monopolies.
And there are things to fear from that, and things to be excited about that, here are some possible effects, from an objective analysis of the situation;

• If this is implemented then mods will likely also force completed high quality maps stored in the Imperial Vault that we hold to be released. This will likely increase the standard of play for the AtWar community as it is no longer controlled by oppressive hierarchical regimes.
• Furthermore, it will also allow other map makers to experiment and diversify with currently popular maps and maybe add modifications that THEY personally may like and through this maybe everyone in the premium community will have custom maps that they personally enjoy - and through this, these "modifcations" or modifs could improve the quality for the rest of the AW community. A good example of this would be GGG, that tunder generously donated to the community.
• In addition to this, it would create a community with perfect competition, where more map makers can compete.
• As well as this it means that the power of hierarchical regimes is greatly diminished as they now no longer can control and dictate - which means more can enjoy the quality of the maps.
• Innovation could, exceed through the roof, as more map makers can collaborate even if they disagree politically.
• It can also mean map makers could possibly specialise - for example map makers who are bad at bordering are now no longer discouraged as they can copy other people's content freely and use their - e.g. City and balancing specialisation - to be able to create a greatly improved - more balanced - more fun maps.

• This however, would sadly feed the fire of RP. RP has been under strict EC control with Fappino as leader. Now though EC like RP, the Central ARC government hate it which strictly limits any innovation in the field. Though many superior [in terms of cancer] RP maps have been produced already, they have not been released due to the fact they are scared of cancerisation. Now we can all agree that RP will never go away. It's better under monopoly control though, because if it was truly free to clone every RP fag will just make an RP and this will lead to rapid cancersiation. We can all agree on the negative effects of this.
• Map Makers who want some recognition may lose incentive to produce cartographic content.
• Ethically this is wrong and also illegal, as map makers did NOT sign up for this.
• Map makers have a high chance of deleting their maps in protest, I know the Reich may consider this, and the ARC has drafted the Nero Decree already - thus reducing map diversity and quality long term.
• Too much choice, is not always good. Players/Hosts are influenced by bounded rationality, they cannot understand which is the best for them and too much choice will often lead to confusion. For example in real life, there are so many 118-like companies, things get confusing.
• In addition, trolls are no longer bound by map constraints or rules if they have premium. Meaning rules depend on whether you've bought premium or not, which is preferential punishment.

Also an important point that will have to raised, IF, this is pushed through is this:

Host bans will become more powerful than map maker bans: then a reform will definitely pushed through.

Because if map makers don't really own it - because many versions of the same idea exist and thus they are "Play-takers" as in the community dictate which maps to play- rather than
"Play-givers" as in they dictate who gets to play one map, + the fact that hosts can ban whoever they like: then hosts have become much more powerful as they are the medium maps are played and experienced through. Don't you think that's even worse than map makers banning who they like?

My Personal Evaluation:

These are just SOME points to consider, they will all happen to some extent, but the EXTENT varies considerably. It is the EXTENT that is the most important. Now I cannot speak on behalf of the map maker community, but I can suggest, as my peers have, that the extent of demotivation and ethical incorrectness creating a discontent map production atmosphere will definitely be great. Therefore, to me the negatives, greatly outweigh the positives.

My Personal Ethical View:

Map makers are entitled to plenipotentiary powers upon their content, including ban-lists, and of course map control and rights of publication.

However this is just my opinion, please give yours.

[TAGGING] People whom I wish to consider these points:

Napisao Helly, 01.11.2015 at 13:43

Napisao Al Fappino, 01.11.2015 at 13:40

Napisao Aetius, 01.11.2015 at 13:02

Napisao Tundy, 29.10.2015 at 13:32

Napisao clovis1122, 29.10.2015 at 14:02

Napisao Valetorious, 01.11.2015 at 14:16

Napisao Zephyrusu, 01.11.2015 at 14:03

Well, I agree with Adog, this will cause rapid cancerisation of the community and demotivate already known and skilled mapmakers to produce maps, as they are technically producing maps to be used by someone else..

Regarding the other points, fully agree, not to mention this is illegal and just another coup by the biased mods on a dieing community.

This post is more than 72 hours old, and pulse has been the only mod to reply to it (and he went off-topic and proposed something complete different)
either mods are unorganized or they already made up their mind and are not willing to talk this out.

so far all the statements that go against the status-quo have been destroyed, maybe after all, changing the status-quo is not a good idea.

Napisao minusSeven, 01.11.2015 at 11:07

Napisao UnIeashed, 01.11.2015 at 11:02

can you name a few companies in where you pay to make content?

That's a poor analogy. You are making to maps to enjoy those games yourself and for the rest of the community as well. This game gives you the tools needed to do that. That doesn't mean it should belong to you. It should belong to the game itself.

No it's not. I did not spend my hard earned money on this game in order to make maps for the enjoyment of the community. I paid for the right to make maps for myself and my enjoyment. End of story. The content I then create should always be mine not any other players unless I so choose. The admins changed the ToS, I assume after the map maker strike in hopes of avoiding that situation again, but it was changed after my purchase. If it had existed in it's current form at the time I made my purchase then I would never have bought premium. Since the ToS was changed once it can be changed again. If the map making right was free there would be no discussion as to who's control custom maps should fall under. But since they are selling the right to make maps they have to respect their customers and the content they create. Google respects the rights of a user who uses Google drive, by not confiscating any content created by a user, and that is free to use. So why should the community have control of content created by paying map makers? In my opinion if my content that I payed for is going to be the asset of the community, I will expect a refund, because that is not what I payed for.

Napisao Professor Adog, 01.11.2015 at 14:51

It really looks like you've spend time writting that reply. Just wondering about what you are talking about.

If about maps becoming a community asset as the first comments says, then I'm quite unsure how you reach the conclusion of host ban becoming more powerful than mapmaker ban as this proposal doesn't affect the current banlist on anything. Just that MapMakers wouldn't be able to hide their maps.

If about the banlist ideas, then some of your points makes no sense...

Or they could handle it just like ban abuse and take privileges of those who would abuse th e system.

Napisao Warmonger Dak, 01.11.2015 at 20:51

No it's not. I did not spend my hard earned money on this game in order to make maps for the enjoyment of the community. I paid for the right to make maps for myself and my enjoyment. End of story. The content I then create should always be mine not any other players unless I so choose. The admins changed the ToS, I assume after the map maker strike in hopes of avoiding that situation again, but it was changed after my purchase. If it had existed in it's current form at the time I made my purchase then I would never have bought premium. Since the ToS was changed once it can be changed again. If the map making right was free there would be no discussion as to who's control custom maps should fall under. But since they are selling the right to make maps they have to respect their customers and the content they create. Google respects the rights of a user who uses Google drive, by not confiscating any content created by a user, and that is free to use. So why should the community have control of content created by paying map makers? In my opinion if my content that I payed for is going to be the asset of the community, I will expect a refund, because that is not what I payed for.

If you want your money back pm the game creators and ask for refund showing the original terms and conditions as a reason. I doubt they would even entertain it since there are enough clauses in the tos to refuse refund.

Your google drive analogy is way off in that regard. And the way it is now with the new terms and conditions you can either accept the changes or find a new game.

Napisao minusSeven, 02.11.2015 at 06:46

Napisao Warmonger Dak, 01.11.2015 at 20:51

No it's not. I did not spend my hard earned money on this game in order to make maps for the enjoyment of the community. I paid for the right to make maps for myself and my enjoyment. End of story. The content I then create should always be mine not any other players unless I so choose. The admins changed the ToS, I assume after the map maker strike in hopes of avoiding that situation again, but it was changed after my purchase. If it had existed in it's current form at the time I made my purchase then I would never have bought premium. Since the ToS was changed once it can be changed again. If the map making right was free there would be no discussion as to who's control custom maps should fall under. But since they are selling the right to make maps they have to respect their customers and the content they create. Google respects the rights of a user who uses Google drive, by not confiscating any content created by a user, and that is free to use. So why should the community have control of content created by paying map makers? In my opinion if my content that I payed for is going to be the asset of the community, I will expect a refund, because that is not what I payed for.

If you want your money back pm the game creators and ask for refund showing the original terms and conditions as a reason. I doubt they would even entertain it since there are enough clauses in the tos to refuse refund.

Your google drive analogy is way off in that regard. And the way it is now with the new terms and conditions you can either accept the changes or find a new game.

There where holes in the original tos that's why it was changed, that's perfectly legal. But you must notify your subscribing customers so they may cancel there subscription if they don't agree. I would if stopped paying them a long time ago if I knew. We want refunds if this goes through plain and simple.

I dont have time to read everything sadly, but my opinion is that mapmakers need to be treated with respect and their grievances handled by mods and admins. map makers and competitive autists are both important parts of the community and necessary for atwars prosperity.

Napisao clovis1122, 01.11.2015 at 22:02

Napisao Professor Adog, 01.11.2015 at 14:51

It really looks like you've spend time writting that reply. Just wondering about what you are talking about.

If about maps becoming a community asset as the first comments says, then I'm quite unsure how you reach the conclusion of host ban becoming more powerful than mapmaker ban as this proposal doesn't affect the current banlist on anything. Just that MapMakers wouldn't be able to hide their maps.

If about the banlist ideas, then some of your points makes no sense...

Part of the proposition is that all maps will be copyable, so anyone banned would just copy the map and host the copy

Napisao Zephyrusu, 02.11.2015 at 08:08

Napisao clovis1122, 01.11.2015 at 22:02

Napisao Professor Adog, 01.11.2015 at 14:51

It really looks like you've spend time writting that reply. Just wondering about what you are talking about.

If about maps becoming a community asset as the first comments says, then I'm quite unsure how you reach the conclusion of host ban becoming more powerful than mapmaker ban as this proposal doesn't affect the current banlist on anything. Just that MapMakers wouldn't be able to hide their maps.

If about the banlist ideas, then some of your points makes no sense...

Part of the proposition is that all maps will be copyable, so anyone banned would just copy the map and host the copy

Iv chatTed alot with laochra a Desus it's unlikely that will happen.

Napisao Zephyrusu, 02.11.2015 at 08:08

Part of the proposition is that all maps will be copyable, so anyone banned would just copy the map and host the copy

Thanks.

We all are against allowing the map to be cloned so far. Reasons are obvious.

Added to my comment in 4th page.

Napisao notserral, 30.10.2015 at 13:38

So much drama over this made me rethink my stance on maps & mapmakers. I agree that mapmakers should have almost full control over their maps:

They should be able to choose who they want to collaborate with

They should be able to choose who can clone their map

They should be able to unpublish or publish the map at will

They should not be able to ban players from their maps

I hate the ban list with passion. It has been proven time and time again that it is a flawed system and prone to abuse, from both sides. A better solution should be designed and implemented.

And by the way, they already are part of the game, as explained on the Terms of Service:

Citiraj:

4. Custom Maps ownership
Custom Maps and Scenarios and all associated media are and shall remain the sole and exclusive property of atWar. Without limiting the foregoing, you hereby assign to atWar all of your rights, title and interest in and to all Custom Maps, and agree that should atWar decide that it is necessary, you agree to execute future assignments promptly upon receiving such a request from atWar. Additionally, atWar shall have the right to keep the Custom Maps online even if their creator requests removal. In case of blocking users from playing your map, you agree to provide solid reasons for the block upon request.

(the ToS that you accepted when you created an account, by the way)

Well the argument is over and this thread can be locked/moved to off topic. Ivan has fully supported our rights as third party investors in there game and our property as map makers. Aswell all users who made account before the terms and service agreements was created are not held liable by its contents. http://prntscr.com/8yauz4

Looks like they won. Hopefully for goods.

Maybe admins need a third MapMaker Strike to make them change decision.

Napisao clovis1122, 02.11.2015 at 14:48

Looks like they won. Hopefully for goods.

Maybe admins need a third MapMaker Strike to make them change decision.

The first strike was about the ban list the second about tos, on reality it's always been about our right as map makers, and with Ivan recent decision there should be no more issues what so ever on our end unless Moderators try to find a loophole in what ivan said. But anyone can see that mods whwre just wrong on every level everything they said was proven false in the above screen shot.

Napisao Helly, 02.11.2015 at 16:34

Napisao clovis1122, 02.11.2015 at 14:48

Looks like they won. Hopefully for goods.

Maybe admins need a third MapMaker Strike to make them change decision.

The first strike was about the ban list the second about tos, on reality it's always been about our right as map makers, and with Ivan recent decision there should be no more issues what so ever on our end unless Moderators try to find a loophole in what ivan said. But anyone can see that mods whwre just wrong on every level everything they said was proven false in the above screen shot.

Case Solved

If I publish a book, does that mean people can clone it and edit it? I don't think so bub.