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Napisano od ROYAL, 08.06.2017 - 03:59
Hi everyone,

I'm hdrakon, I'm speaking on my behalf with this account because my main account is currently suspended from using the forum. In this thread I will tell you the truth behind my "trouble-maker" reputation.

I've been playing this game for many years. I have dedicated a lot of my time, money and ideas that helped improve and will improve this game for all of us, and I don't regret it because I love this game. But with this there is a sad story. It was told by several moderators and my haters in a different way to depict me as a troll, or a villain, whose sole purpose is to ruin this game for the community. The facts say otherwise.

Date: Spring 2012
The reason I received this negative stigma started in spring 2012 when SRB empire clan members accused me of insulting one of their member's (VAGlNEER) ethnicity when they reported it to Guest14502. Guest14502 proceeded to mute me straight away on all public chats without speaking with me and without any evidence to support their allegation. I was upset and came back with a guest account and told Guest14502 in the heat of the moment to "ban me, I don't care," to which he replied "with pleasure.". I regretted saying that a day later and pleaded him to undo the ban but he'd ban me on sight. I kept getting banned and most of the mods didn't even know why I was banned in the first place. They just banned me because they thought, "Well he's banned by a mod and should remain banned." without inquiring for the reasons I'm banned. So from there on I began my campaign to free myself by using alts and spamming to get myself unbanned.

A few months later Guest1452 realized it was a mistake after VAGlNEER confirmed to him that SRB Empire members falsely accused me, to troll me for not joining their clan.

Around summer 2012
Later on that year, Guest14502 came to me and privately apologized for the mute and bans. However, it was private, therefore the stigma of a troll still stayed in AtWar. Around the same time a new mod was promoted called VRIL. He made it his goal to mistreat and abuse me. It was easy for him to get away with it because I had a "trouble-maker record" on my profile. There are many wrongdoings that VRIL had done. Here are few that I will mention. In one example, VRIL muted me on all chats for more than a month because his clan member clovek30 (kona-chan) who was fan of anime threatened to murder me after I said "Anime is hentai." Clovek didn't get punished, not even warned for what he said, and VRIL justified it by saying it is "to prevent you from responding to him.". In another example, he kicked and then banned me for 3 days during a duel we were playing, and I had a winning advantage. A lot of players were there to witness it, luckily for me Safari saw this so he unbanned me a day later, but nothing could have been done in regards to the duel.


Autumn 2012 until summer 2013
Fast forward a few months later around June 2013. I called VRIL "noob" in private chat and he decided to permanently ban me. I assume he wasn't happy with the way the community was treating him for the last few months and he released his frustration on me, while other players were spamming global, insulting his mother and more, and got away with it. Most of the mods were on my side and agreed VRIL was excessive with the way he handled me. VRIL then made a threat that said he will quit AtWar if I'm unbanned, so Amok stepped in and sided with VRIL. The mods decided to keep me banned, but then I was offered a deal by the mods that I'll be banned for 1 year and all my "history of bad player" won't be taken into account in any future case regarding me. I agreed to this deal.

VRIL banned any alt I had at that time with this reason "reason: hdrakon" to keep it marked as my alts, therefore I stayed on low profile and played without causing problems but once he discoverd it was me he would ban it. I managed to stay out of rader for a while when I played with my alt Vermeer around August. I joined with it to my main clan at the time Victorious Secret without telling others besides Safari my true identity. Later on this month I was recommended to be player of the month for August because of my helpfulness to the community in the forum and in game chat. Then VRIL started a map competition, Safari came to me and asked me if I'm going to participate in this competition, I told him I can't because I didn't buy the Map and Scenarios pack feature for my account so Safari offered me to use his acccount I hesitated at first and warned him that he may be punished for it, but he said it's ok so few days after I received the password to his account I signed-in with it. I barely used it because I had something happening in this week, but when I had time I told clovis I could mute him with an alt I named Satan-Safari which was possible because of a bug, he asked me to do so and he apparently screen-shoted it and shared it with Desu and reported me to Pulse. When Pulse IP checked Satan Safari he figured out it shared similar IP to Veemeer and Safari, and he banned Vermeer for 999 days and accused me of hacking a mod account. I never told the true story so this was known as hacking into a mod account, something that never happened the way it was told to the public. 6 months later on March first 2014 my main account was unbanned from VRIL's ban and VRIL quit AtWar because of it. After this episode I wasn't banned or muted again for 2 years.


Summer 2015
Fast forward to 2 years later. The bad stigma I had stuck around with me, and gave the new players the wrong impression about me. People who didn't know me hated me because of it. And people who didn't like me because of where I'm from took advantage of this and joined in. But I didn't mind. I thought if I keep on a low profile people will eventually leave me alone. It didn't work, it only backfired because people started to think it might be true, since I didn't defend myself against the haters. The haters became more and more toxic towards me with their hatred, and new players who didn't even know me joined the hate group spreading lies and hate about me. I had enough and began to reply to these people who shit-posted in forum or shit-talked about me in game since the mods weren't doing anything to them.
In around may 2015, my account profile settings were being altered and I was asking mods to check my account's IP, I legitimately thought someone might have hacked me. Then a former mod told me he is the one who did it. He said he still had the power to edit players' profiles even though he wasn't a mod. I doubted him and he said go check sificvoid's password I changed it to ----- I was skeptical but I tried it anyway and to my surprise it worked. I immediately wrote a pm to Ivan and changed its password because the new password was shown to other mods and any mods could've signed-in with it to abuse with it. I then logged off from it and never signed-in with it again. At that time, Ivan was away for a week from the date of my message and when he saw my message, he changed it and thanked me.

3 months later, e Mare was promoted to mod and he was abusing me, so I decided to quit AtWar because I didn't want to go through another similar experience like I had with VRIL, and deleted my account. Apparently he went on sificvoid's account and undeleted my account, changed its name, and used it as his own. If I wasn't informed on another platform that my account was restored, I would have never known. I came back and claimed my account back and provided evidence to the admins that e Mare did it. A few months later he was removed from mod. And this is when I started to receive my first ever forum mutes for responding to hatred with hatred, while the ones who started it and insulted me weren't punished for it. I grew tired of this and became a little aggressive.

Jaunary 2016
Few days after e Mare was demoted, clovis1122 told me he had something important to talk about and asked me to come online. I did and we started to talk. He asked me to tell him how I can post in other clans' forums without being there. I told him I won't tell him how bugs work, because I didn't want to spread the knowledge of bugs in the community, and that I've already reported it to Ivan 3 years before that.
He then basically demanded I tell him how I use the bug to view the mod forum (something that isn't possible) or else he will post a shaming thread about me and get me banned. I explained to him that this bug doesn't do such a thing, and he repeated the same threat. He wasn't convinced and said he rather see me banned than see me being around without telling him how this bug works.
I had nothing to say anymore and jusy logged off. He went ahead and made the shaming thread about me, accusing me of using a bug to view mod forum. When I responded, he asked the mods to move it to mod forum to prevent me from defending myself.

I had a bad relationship with Laochra because I had the wrong impression of him as a bully. He used to be very harsh with several people who were my friends and especially with clovis who was a very close friend of mine at that time, and I believed what I was told about Laochra, so I kind of disliked him at that time and he grew to dislike me too.

Laochra joined in, and straight away supported clovis1122's unfounded accusations and sent me a threatening message that I must tell him how this bug works or else I'll be banned. Meanwhile, clovis was spamming all chats to ban me and harassed and insulted me nonstop, begging mods to ban me. And not a single mod told him to stop. I decided to defend myself and responded to him occasionally with insults for trying to get me banned.


April 2016
The constant harassment and never-ending begging to ban me on forum and in game's chat bore fruit, and I was banned out of the blue by Columna Durruti without any prior message or alert or legitimate reasoning to this ban. All Columna Durruti wrote as his reason was, "You lost your last friend, GG."

It was later proven to be a false accusation.

June 2016
2 months passed and I didn't come close to AtWar again, but then Dr. Trollface contacted me on Skype and asked me to come back because I was banned wrongfully, and so I did. I came back to AtWar. But 2 days later, I was muted by Meester on global for a week or a month. I don't exactly remember because I used it by mistake. I approached Meester in private chat and provided him screenshots to prove it was an unintended mistake. He told me I just came back from a long ban so I'm not a good situation then he proceeded to put me on ignore. I was furious he ignored me, and decided to use report command to expose the truth I know about him. Basically I said I know he's not (from the country he said and everybody thought he was from), and that he lies about being a brain surgeon at the age of 24. The only mods who were present in this time were Sun Tzu and Heat Check. Few minute later Meester "permanently banned" me. Not only that but also deleted couple of useful posts I made that same day where I explained about a bug and helped people who asked questions. And in the mod forum he told a different story.
He said I spammed global for 3 days in a row with anti-Semitic messages. But wait. Firstly, I'm Jewish, why would I insult or go against myself? And second I was unbanned for 2 days how I could spam global chat for 3 days as he claimed in the mod forum? Plus there is no evidence of what he claims I said in the chat logs, but this is what he claimed I did to get banned.

Autumn 2016
During this time, I reported to Desu im his IRC channel about Trystane who was using Safari's mod account. He misused it to it steal old beta trooper accounts and simply abusing players in the game for fun. Desu replied to me with "I'm inactive, I won't do anything about it, talk with other mods." The player was left alone for a very long time because no other mod listened to me and sun tzu ignored my reports.

Winter 2016
6 months later at this time Crow talked with Sun Tzu without my knowledge. Sun Tzu agreed I can be unbanned on the condition that I can't access any other chat besides clan chat and clan forum, since there's no separation from clan forum to public forum, and I wasn't allowed to use public forum in this agreemen so the forum ban remained untouched. They agreed on these condition and I was unbanned. After one day Meester came online and banned me again for indefinite time for one reason - hatred. I didn't break the agreement that was reached with the moderators and Sun, I stuck to this deal and only communicated within the clan but I still got banned.


End of February 2017
A month or two later I was unbanned again but I wasn't allowed to post or use public chats beside game, private and clan channels. I played for 30 days without attracting the mods' attention, however the hate against me never ceased in the forum especially from Laochra, clovis and other new haters that have joined the hate train because it's always easy and fun to join a group of people to hate on someone. One I came online to play a game, and went to the clan war game that was taking place. It was Illyria against a clan who I forgot. I noticed Desu signed-in again after 40 days of inactivity, and he was chatting with waffel and joking around with us. I asked Illyria for a cw and I set it up after they finished. I didn't know I had Desu on my ban list, I forgot about it completely. We played our game but Desu couldn't spectate. I finished the game and saw Desu in the clan war room. I went on to check my ban list, and saw he's there. I sent him a private message and said I just realized he's on my ban list, and told him I will remove him from it so he can spectate if he wants. He replied he could have unbanned himself from my game, but instead he will ban me from AtWar. He said I shouldn't have been unbanned in the first place, and told me to ask a mod to talk in my name, and after that he banned me.
When the community became outraged and interested and asked the mods why I was banned, they were silenced and were told I'm not interested to share my stories with them, which is a big lie. The community accepted it and remained silent for over 3 months.

June 2017
After I was banned for over 3 months, I contacted a brianwl to unban me. He referred me to Sun Tzu, who unbanned me, but kept me banned from forum and muted me on most chat channels beside private and clan. The reasoning was "to prevent hdrakon from insulting or harassing anyone." However, a few hours later Google Chrome muted me on all chats. Then a few hours later, Eagle unmuted me on game, private and clan chat. But then again Google Chrome muted me on all chats. It kept going on like this with other mods unmuting, until Sun Tzu unmuted me from game, private and clan chat and made a deal that if I behave for a while they will reconsider my mutes and told me to contact him if I was muted again from all chat channels.
Napisao ROYAL, 08.06.2017 at 06:30

The purpose of these posts is to get my story out there. The purpose is not to call out moderators on their actions, but an appeal to the mods and admin to speak the truth. This post is also meant to clear up all the rumors surrounding me... I'm not a bad guy. I challenge any of the mods to post their true thoughts on this matter. This is also for fair and equal justice among moderators, and to not ruling out with a heavy hand among those they find undesirable for whatever reason. I have been subjected to harsh and unfair treatment from moderators, and all the community is looking for is accountability with moderators.



Thanks for your time,
Hdrakon
21.06.2017 - 13:41
 Crow
Napisao clovis1122, 21.06.2017 at 11:26

Shouldn't hdrakon be banned again for using an alt account to post on forums? Thats a clear rule violation.

You remind me of this character so much.
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21.06.2017 - 14:52
Napisao RaulPB, 21.06.2017 at 12:55

Napisao clovis1122, 21.06.2017 at 11:26

Shouldn't hdrakon be banned again for using an alt account to post on forums? Thats a clear rule violation.

Why should he be banned to post in forums in the first place? He has already been through his total ban without cheating so there really isn't a reason for him to be unbanned from the game but not from the forum. Let's just stop the drama, give him a clean chance and if he fucks up, then ban again in accordance with whatever he does. It's not that hard...


You know how they define doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?
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21.06.2017 - 15:13
 Sascha (Moderator)
Napisao clovis1122, 21.06.2017 at 14:48

Napisao RaulPB, 21.06.2017 at 12:55

He has already been through his total ban without cheating


His bans were permanent so yes, he cheated.

Even way before any mod unban him, he was already cheating by making alts to dodge the bans.

There is not a single ban where hdrakon didn't cheated in one way or another. It's like if he was never banned in the first place.

And now he is using another player account to dodge his forum ban. You see how Sun Tzu grave him a hand and he took the whole arm - that's the type of person that he is.


why you cant stop complaining about this stuff? we all know you want him to be banned but its not you to decide so move on and dont be a bitch
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21.06.2017 - 15:19
Napisao clovis1122, 21.06.2017 at 14:48

His bans were permanent so yes, he cheated.

He didn't cheat this time since his indefinite ban has been removed beforehand...

Napisao Permamuted, 21.06.2017 at 14:52

You know how they define doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?

Yup, insanity. Also known as rusher's syndrome don't worry, if I'm aware of him fucking up, I'll be there to support his corresponding ban and smack him on the back of the neck
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21.06.2017 - 15:36
Napisao Lemonade, 21.06.2017 at 10:22

Napisao Guest, 20.06.2017 at 16:55

Napisao BalkanBeast, 20.06.2017 at 12:07

Thanks for clearing that up. Everyone knows that any power structure needs a leader, someone who can make a final say about matters. With Ivan AFK, shouldn't there be someone appointed lead mod? Just a thought. Thanks for your time.

Defiantly lemonade

yeah and the next two mods will be waffel and zizou!

Lemonade for admin
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21.06.2017 - 15:46
This topic should just be locked by now, Not like this thread serves a purpose anymore. You're part of the problem if you keep trying to get him banned as much as he keeps trying to be unbanned... You're all a bit obsessive I think, Just let things take their natural route... if you want him banned well so do most moderators so as soon as he slips up he will get banned and if you don't want him banned then put your faith in him to be a good lil boy like he said and you will have your friend back for good.
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21.06.2017 - 15:54
 Oleg
Napisao clovis1122, 21.06.2017 at 15:34

You wont say that he contacted both brianwl and Sun Tzu from outside of the game or from his (banned) account, will you?
Besides, Sun kept him banned from forums (he still is) and that was part of their deal. He just took over another account to post on forums - cheat??

Sun Tzu and brian gave permission to hdrakon to use alt to post on forum and to chat.
Just to remind you, you are breaking few rules, i will number here:
1.1, 3.1, 3.3, 3.4, 4.3. I hope that you will stop breaking those rules, or moderators will need to deal with you.
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21.06.2017 - 18:21
Napisao Oleg, 21.06.2017 at 15:54

Sun Tzu and brian gave permission to hdrakon to use alt to post on forum and to chat.
Just to remind you, you are breaking few rules, i will number here:
1.1, 3.1, 3.3, 3.4, 4.3. I hope that you will stop breaking those rules, or moderators will need to deal with you.

It's different when you say he was allowed to use alt to post in forum and different to post through alt about his past about moderators?Isn't that a rule violation or am I fooled?
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21.06.2017 - 18:22
 Oleg
Napisao Cold Case, 21.06.2017 at 18:21

Napisao Oleg, 21.06.2017 at 15:54

Sun Tzu and brian gave permission to hdrakon to use alt to post on forum and to chat.
Just to remind you, you are breaking few rules, i will number here:
1.1, 3.1, 3.3, 3.4, 4.3. I hope that you will stop breaking those rules, or moderators will need to deal with you.

It's different when you say he was allowed to use alt to post in forum and different to post throught alt about his past about moderators?Isn't that a rule violation or am I fooled?

It isn't if you have permission.... Did you ever go to city administration to get some permissions....?
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21.06.2017 - 18:29
Napisao Oleg, 21.06.2017 at 18:22

It isn't if you have permission....

You said permission for alt How do you know he had permission to post about mods?
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21.06.2017 - 18:32
 Oleg
Napisao Cold Case, 21.06.2017 at 18:29

Napisao Oleg, 21.06.2017 at 18:22

It isn't if you have permission....

You said permission for alt How do you know he had permission to post about mods?

He had permission to use alt for posting in forum, do you know how to read?
Napisao Oleg, 21.06.2017 at 15:54

Sun Tzu and brian gave permission to hdrakon to use alt to post on forum and to chat..
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21.06.2017 - 18:37
Napisao Oleg, 21.06.2017 at 18:32

He had permission to use alt for posting in forum, do you know how to read?

Just tell me.Am I the one that needs to learn how to read?
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22.06.2017 - 07:13
 brianwl (Administrator)
Napisao Cold Case, 21.06.2017 at 18:37

Napisao Oleg, 21.06.2017 at 18:32

He had permission to use alt for posting in forum, do you know how to read?

Just tell me.Am I the one that needs to learn how to read?


No you're right... there was some discussion about giving him 'permission' to post, but this would show favourtism so he is following the rules like everyone else. ♥
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22.06.2017 - 11:39
So first the thread was locked, now it's unlocked, mod civil war?
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22.06.2017 - 13:10
For pavle that told me that I don't want to start a SS war:Man you are a disgrace to this game like most of the people that support Hdrakon and happen to be in Mystics.

About the suggestion of having new mods:No I don't support it at all.I'm pretty sure you even want it so there will be no mod left to remember Hdrakon's actions.

About all of you in Mystics and not-Pavle and Peick-:I want to say that you are total idiots both and what you post are nonsense and I'm tired of seeing what you post but I can't ignore you.I like the thing that you know everything about mods now out of all the sudden.You want a leader moderator?Hmm I have a suggestion-Hdrakon.Yeaaah I remember the time Crow,Pavle,Kogi and himself threatened me that he will be moderator and I should shut the fuck up, he even called me and Ghost-Face mod wannabes just because we hate him, yeah he literally said that.

@Brianwl:Correct me if I'm wrong but you confused me a bit, you say I'm right but then you say he's following the rules like anyone else.I didn't get that :/

Anyway you are getting me tired and you act like 5yo.Of course it's not my bussiness but what the heck, democracy
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22.06.2017 - 13:11
 Nero
Napisao Nero, 05.06.2017 at 22:34

Nero and Mauzer Panteri for admin
Hdrakon for mod
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22.06.2017 - 13:35
Napisao Nero, 22.06.2017 at 13:11

Napisao Nero, 05.06.2017 at 22:34

Nero and Mauzer Panteri for admin
Hdrakon for mod



the apocalypse...

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22.06.2017 - 14:06
 Crow
Napisao Cold Case, 22.06.2017 at 13:10

For pavle that told me that I don't want to start a SS war:Man you are a disgrace to this game like most of the people that support Hdrakon and happen to be in Mystics.

About the suggestion of having new mods:No I don't support it at all.I'm pretty sure you even want it so there will be no mod left to remember Hdrakon's actions.

About all of you in Mystics and not-Pavle and Peick-:I want to say that you are total idiots both and what you post are nonsense and I'm tired of seeing what you post but I can't ignore you.I like the thing that you know everything about mods now out of all the sudden.You want a leader moderator?Hmm I have a suggestion-Hdrakon.Yeaaah I remember the time Crow,Pavle,Kogi and himself threatened me that he will be moderator and I should shut the fuck up, he even called me and Ghost-Face mod wannabes just because we hate him, yeah he literally said that.

@Brianwl:Correct me if I'm wrong but you confused me a bit, you say I'm right but then you say he's following the rules like anyone else.I didn't get that :/

Anyway you are getting me tired and you act like 5yo.Of course it's not my bussiness but what the heck, democracy

You are a very confusing person, so obsessive... you automatically hate me because I'm in Mystics and associated with hdrakon, what kind of thinking is that? I've never once threatened you about anything, so please don't make false allegations against me.

I really don't understand people like you. I find it quite bizarre to receive such hostility from users I don't even talk to, just because I'm in Mystics and associated with hdrakon. If you don't like him, then that's your business, but don't start hating on me because I'm just friends with him.
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22.06.2017 - 20:33
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22.06.2017 - 20:56
Napisao Crow, 22.06.2017 at 14:06

You are a very confusing person, so obsessive... you automatically hate me because I'm in Mystics and associated with hdrakon, what kind of thinking is that? I've never once threatened you about anything, so please don't make false allegations against me.

I really don't understand people like you. I find it quite bizarre to receive such hostility from users I don't even talk to, just because I'm in Mystics and associated with hdrakon. If you don't like him, then that's your business, but don't start hating on me because I'm just friends with him.

Nice changing my words and putting more in my mouth.
I never said anything else about you rather than you threatening me which might be even misleading cause I don't remember if you were.

I like the thing that you associate my hate to you with mystics, it's not like you haven't done more than that to me but whatever lets leave that.

You don't even talk to?Like it's not that whenever you can, you try to make me look idiot and stuff like that, and personally if I said I don't talk with someone and I don't expect hostility from him I wouldn't stack him to see when he changes his name to take his name on an alt so that he can't use it.And then you talk
about my logic and thinking hahaha, pathetic.

Once again don't associate my hate to you with Mystics and Hdrakon.
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22.06.2017 - 20:58
Peick, I obviously don't know what's your story with CE but like you protect the man with "no mouth" I believe I should protect and stand for the guy that literally has no mouth in the forum.
You can't ask for mods to take action for something that can't be proven, it could be your imagination that was made up by your hate towards him.
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23.06.2017 - 05:26
I think there's nothing more to extract from this tbh, other than fact 1 or 2 guys might be exposed or contradicted?
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23.06.2017 - 08:17
 Crow
Napisao Cold Case, 22.06.2017 at 20:56

Napisao Crow, 22.06.2017 at 14:06

You are a very confusing person, so obsessive... you automatically hate me because I'm in Mystics and associated with hdrakon, what kind of thinking is that? I've never once threatened you about anything, so please don't make false allegations against me.

I really don't understand people like you. I find it quite bizarre to receive such hostility from users I don't even talk to, just because I'm in Mystics and associated with hdrakon. If you don't like him, then that's your business, but don't start hating on me because I'm just friends with him.

Nice changing my words and putting more in my mouth.
I never said anything else about you rather than you threatening me which might be even misleading cause I don't remember if you were.

I like the thing that you associate my hate to you with mystics, it's not like you haven't done more than that to me but whatever lets leave that.

You don't even talk to?Like it's not that whenever you can, you try to make me look idiot and stuff like that, and personally if I said I don't talk with someone and I don't expect hostility from him I wouldn't stack him to see when he changes his name to take his name on an alt so that he can't use it.And then you talk
about my logic and thinking hahaha, pathetic.

Once again don't associate my hate to you with Mystics and Hdrakon.

I couldn't understand your first sentences, but I will associate your 'hatred' towards me because of Mystics and hdrakon. I've never had a proper conversation with you, I barely know you, yet you keep acting hostile towards me. For what? Defending my friend hdrakon? Because it seems so.
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23.06.2017 - 08:19
Napisao Crow, 23.06.2017 at 08:17

I couldn't understand your first sentences, but I will associate your 'hatred' towards me because of Mystics and hdrakon. I've never had a proper conversation with you, I barely know you, yet you keep acting hostile towards me. For what? Defending my friend hdrakon? Because it seems so.

You are getting tiring so I won't keep this going.You keep recycling the bullshit you say each time even when I tell you something else or respond to what you already have said.
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23.06.2017 - 08:20
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Napisao Cold Case, 23.06.2017 at 08:19

Napisao Crow, 23.06.2017 at 08:17

I couldn't understand your first sentences, but I will associate your 'hatred' towards me because of Mystics and hdrakon. I've never had a proper conversation with you, I barely know you, yet you keep acting hostile towards me. For what? Defending my friend hdrakon? Because it seems so.

You are getting tiring so I won't keep this going.You keep recycling the bullshit you say each time even when I tell you something else or respond to what you already have said.

How so? You keep avoiding my point. Instead of giving me a reasonable explanation for your hostility towards me you keep talking about other nonsense that I don't understand.
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23.06.2017 - 08:22
Napisao Crow, 23.06.2017 at 08:20

How so? You keep avoiding my point. Instead of giving me a reasonable explanation for your hostility towards me you keep talking about other nonsense that I don't understand.

Maybe you don't understand it because you don't want to, I'm totally clear on what I say, the problem is you.I have already responded to your ''point'' but whatever you are incapable of understanding .
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23.06.2017 - 08:26
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Napisao Cold Case, 23.06.2017 at 08:22

Napisao Crow, 23.06.2017 at 08:20

How so? You keep avoiding my point. Instead of giving me a reasonable explanation for your hostility towards me you keep talking about other nonsense that I don't understand.

Maybe you don't understand it because you don't want to, I'm totally clear on what I say, the problem is you.I have already responded to your ''point'' but whatever you are incapable of understanding .

Are you being serious right now?

My point:You're showing hostility towards me and unnecessary hatreds towards me because I'm in Mystics and friends with hdrakon.
Your response: I never said anything else about you rather than you threatening me which might be even misleading cause I don't remember if you were.
I like the thing that you associate my hate to you with mystics, it's not like you haven't done more than that to me but whatever lets leave that.

1). I've never 'threatened' you (lol)
2). What more have I done to you? Elaborate.
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23.06.2017 - 08:32
Napisao Crow, 23.06.2017 at 08:26

Are you being serious right now?
My point:You're showing hostility towards me and unnecessary hatreds towards me because I'm in Mystics and friends with hdrakon.
Your response: I never said anything else about you rather than you threatening me which might be even misleading cause I don't remember if you were.
I like the thing that you associate my hate to you with mystics, it's not like you haven't done more than that to me but whatever lets leave that.

1). I've never 'threatened' you (lol)
2). What more have I done to you? Elaborate.

2)This is what I mean when I say you are recycling the bullshit you say, I bet my life I have already explained you twice at least why I hate, dislike, despise, detest and loathe you and yet you are still wondering and questioning.
1)What exactly do you find funny there?
My reponse to your point you ignorant and incapable of undestanding farmer is that first of all I don't associate my hate for you with Mystics and Hdrakon and second of all some private arguements we had which you obviously can't recall.I'm done with you.
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23.06.2017 - 08:36
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Napisao Cold Case, 23.06.2017 at 08:32

Napisao Crow, 23.06.2017 at 08:26

Are you being serious right now?
My point:You're showing hostility towards me and unnecessary hatreds towards me because I'm in Mystics and friends with hdrakon.
Your response: I never said anything else about you rather than you threatening me which might be even misleading cause I don't remember if you were.
I like the thing that you associate my hate to you with mystics, it's not like you haven't done more than that to me but whatever lets leave that.

1). I've never 'threatened' you (lol)
2). What more have I done to you? Elaborate.

2)This is what I mean when I say you are recycling the bullshit you say, I bet my life I have already explained you twice at least why I hate, dislike, despise, detest and loathe you and yet you are still wondering and questioning.
1)What exactly do you find funny there?
My reponse to your point you ignorant and incapable of undestanding farmer is that first of all I don't associate my hate for you with Mystics and Hdrakon and second of all some private arguements we had which you obviously can't recall.I'm done with you.

Yet again you don't elaborate on anything and avoid the question. The only private arguments I can recall having with you is you having a hissy fit because I don't give out personal information about my talk with Ivan back in February, which ended in you throwing insults at me and losing your supporter rank.
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23.06.2017 - 09:01
Napisao Crow, 23.06.2017 at 08:36

2)Yet again you don't elaborate on anything and avoid the question. The only private arguments I can recall having with you is you having a hissy fit because I don't give out personal information about my talk with Ivan back in February, 1)which ended in you throwing insults at me and losing your supporter rank.

You are pathetic, you know that?
Let me start with this:
1)Lmao man you can't stop spreading the propaganda can you.First of all so people can know the story I told you that you shouldn't bring supporters and be so quick and sudden with all your decisions and that was followed with me saying that I will be probably leaving the supporters because of you and the totally unexpected throwing in the dumpsters Croat(or Clovis) and taking the supporters leader role by yourself saying you got it by Ivan, Ivan an innactive admin that didn't give a shit about this game even back then and gave the supporters leader role to someone he has never met and totally uknown to the AtWar community.After some posts and quotes we had in the supporters forum(I think) you fucking asked Ivan to demote me with the excuse that I offended you hahahahaha, thing which I obviously hadn't done.That of course pissed me off and I pred you asking why you take the initiative to tell Ivan to demote me, again an innactive Ivan that found the interest out of his boredom to come online for 1 minute just to demote me lmao.Later on you said I had offended and insulted you for no reason plus that I was being unreasonable and stuff like that, that's when I first insulted you and treated you like a piece of shit.I also was suspicious about your relations with Ivan and asked for proof, thing which you avoided to answer and said that it's something private and you don't want to share it, sure-let me add here that some days later Ivan made that thread about the community choosing a moderator after the return of Hdrakon and the Mystics clan for one more time haha.You guys(Mystics) even suggested fucking Nifty for mod and sucked d*cks to get him known as a reccomended moderator for the time he was in Mystics(I don't know if he still is)-.You of course didn't let the opportunity get away and had a base to reason your claims of me insulting you.The same day I had some conversations with some people that asked me to come back and had the same suspicious ideas as me but I didn't want to because I knew what would follow with your shit leadership.Since then you are saying half the story and not even the true one trying to make me look as the ''bad guy''.So yeah asking for ''personal'' information didn't get me demoted.

2)Search for number 1.It's the third time I'm telling you this so don't ask me again about my hate to you.You pushed it off the limits and made me get this public, thing which I didn't want in the first place because of the unneeded drama and all of that.

I even have screenshots to prove my words so yeah for one more fucking time you are the one that doesn't want a SS war .Please leave me alone I have already said I don't want to have any relation with you guys to avoid all this drama.
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